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This week, we studied human social behavior with the folks at WikiProject Sociology. Started in December 2004, WikiProject Sociology has grown to include 2 Featured and 48 Good Articles, including the project's core article. The project oversees the Social Movements Task Force and a variety of lists of articles that need attention. We interviewed Meclee, Piotrus, and DASonnenfeld.
- What motivated you to join WikiProject Sociology? Do you have an academic or professional background in sociology? Have you contributed to any of the project's Good or Featured Articles?
- Meclee: I was motivated by running across several articles with a wide range of competency in coverage on the topic of social complexity. So, I made suggestions to merge and followed through with a thorough re-write of one article on the topic. I next saw a request to do some editing in the area of social networks, and after participating in a discussion on issues, performed a split and re-write of that article.During the course of writing those articles, I began to notice that quite a few sociology articles were in need of attention. I am an academic (currently) sociologist who does more teaching than publication of research these days, so thought that editing Wikipedia was a good use of my time.
- Piotrus: I joined this WikiProject nearly a decade ago as a graduate student in sociology; now I am an assistant professor in the field. I was able to contribute to several Good Articles, such as those on classic theorists (Max Weber, Karl Marx, Emile Durkheim).
- DASonnenfeld: I've been a member of WP:Sociology since 2009. My earliest contributions to Wikipedia's sociology articles related to my primary focus within sociology, environmental sociology. I was interested in helping strengthen Wikipedia's coverage of sociology topics, through identifying and filling in gaps and developing existing articles. I have a PhD in Sociology and work in an interdisciplinary academic setting. I served as a peer reviewer and contributed to the development of the article on sociologist Erving Goffman, a Good Article. DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 02:26, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
- How detailed are Wikipedia's articles about sociological concepts and social problems? Has it been challenging to write articles that are substantive yet accessible to the layperson?
- Meclee: Some articles are incredibly detailed. With some complex theoretical topics, such as the theory of structuration, it can be very difficult to make it accessible to laypersons.
- Piotrus: What Meclee said. We have some very good articles, but like other topics on Wikipedia, those that are high quality are just a tip of the iceberg. The biggest challenge is to be able to cover the "big" topics, one that have hundreds of books written about them. That requires serious expertise and experience, and our little project, with few active editors, is hard pressed to be able to tackle them quickly. With our current workforce, it will take us decades to get just the core topics up to high quality, I am afraid.
- DASonnenfeld: Wikipedia has a lot of articles on sociological topics, but relatively few really well-developed ones. There remains a lot of room for further development, and for creation of new articles on foundational topics in sociology. The largest number of sociology articles might, from my perspective, be considered on "pop(ular) sociology" topics; especially popular are those related to sexuality. My broader focus in sociology is what I would term social change; there are fewer strong articles in Wikipedia on such more abstract topics.
- Are some branches of the discipline better covered by Wikipedia than others? Which topics most desperately need a glance from an expert in the subject?
- Meclee: Sociology is a very broad field that can be applied to any phenomenon in which human interaction plays a part. Wikipedia contents give very good coverage to the most common, popular, and basic areas of research. One area that could use more coverage and more updating of current information is the area of social inequality.
- Piotrus: I think some topics of particular interest to our active members are covered better than others. For example, I am interested in social movements and new media, and those topics are, I'd like to think, a bit above the average due to that. To build on what Meclee said, I am still surprised that the topics related to social inequality are drawing so little attention; for all the press they are getting in media, and professional literature, there are very few Wikipedians working on them.
- For readers discovering sociology for the first time, which articles would you recommend they begin reading? How can non-expert editors contribute to Wikipedia's sociology articles?
- Meclee: The main Sociology article is a very good starting place to learn more about Sociology and its branches of study. The Social research article gives a good overview of methods used in the study of society. Non-specialist editors can always contribute by copy editing articles and checking citations.
- Piotrus: I am not sure if our core articles are good enough to recommend as a good starting place. Sociology is a Good Article, but so many secondary core topics are C class... sigh. Non-experts can help in various places, from copyediting to writing content. What is a non-expert, anyway? A student with minor in sociology can contribute good quality content, too, as a number of Sociology Educational Assignments have shown.
- Is it difficult to find images suitable for sociology articles? What sorts of figures and photographs would be appropriate for articles about concepts and issues in sociology?
- Piotrus: Moderately. Commons has a nice collection of photographs of social settings; what we need the most are probably diagrams, maps and such.
- Does WikiProject Sociology collaborate with any other projects? Are there areas of overlap between sociology and other disciples that could be used as the basis for a collaboration among social science disciplines?
- Meclee: Sociology tends to be a very interdisciplinary enterprise, so it is at least cross-disciplinary with many other fields of study, including economics, geography, ethnography, anthropology, and psychology. So, there are many opportunities for collaboration. The Project could probably benefit from more outreach to other WikiProjects. Two closely related WikiProjects are Wikipedia:WikiProject Globalization and the Wikipedia:WikiProject Sociology/Social movements task force.
- Piotrus: I'd add Wikipedia:WikiProject Psychology and Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT, considering their activity. But there are many other social science projects that would be applicable; the problem is that most of them are barely active enough to maintain themselves; we don't have the numbers to think about any serious collaboration.
- DASonnenfeld: At the project-level, there does seem to be some ad hoc collaboration between social science and related WikiProjects. With Meclee, I'm a co-founder of WikiProject Globalization, a couple of summers ago. There is some intersection and cooperation between WikiProject Sociology members and other WikiProjects such as WP:Environment and WP:Academic Journals, as well.
- What are the project's most urgent needs? How can a new contributor help today?
- Meclee: The Project's most urgent need is for more active participants who can update and expand our coverage of sociological topics and research findings. We are also in need of participants willing to improve articles through checking citations and converting citations to a standard citation template. We would very much appreciate editors who could help with modernizing and updating the Portal:Sociology. Meclee (talk) 09:19, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- Piotrus: What Meclee said, through I think that the Portal:Sociology (as all other portals) is a low priority. Who reads them? Google never picks them up. But we could desperately use a few more active members. Five active sociology writers would probably double our activity numbers...
- DASonnenfeld: Much room for contributions at all levels! Contribution of public domain/ commons images and videos can enhance many articles.
- Anything else you'd like to add?
- Piotrus: I am curious if any readers of this article are familiar with the ASA Wikipedia Initiative? In the two years that site has been active, I wonder what impact did it have? Are there any readers of this interview who have joined our WikiProject after learning about it from ASA, for example?
- DASonnenfeld: A 'call out' to the Wikipedia Campus Ambassadors Program, and to instructors who have provided opportunities and training to students to make meaning contributions to improving the quality of articles on Wikipedia. Great effort and thanks for your contributions!
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I am curious in regards to the statement:
@Piotrus:@Meclee: Would you kindly elaborate. Why do you believee that the topic of social inequality is drawing little attention. Are there statisticsl measurements that determine this? Thanks in advance, XOttawahitech (talk) 19:56, 20 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- @User:Ottawahitech It's a biased sample, but for example I was surprised that I was the first to create the entry on gender inequality in the United States a year ago or so. And most entries in the series "poverty by country" are missing (see how many red links are in the "Poverty in Europe" template visible in the poverty in Poland article - sorry, template not linkable directly). I could give you more examples, but wherever I look I see either articles that are missing or that are pretty poor (yeah, there are exceptions - and they are just that, exceptions). So, concluding, in the context of significant popularity for those issues - with the Occupy movement and whatnot - I am surprised all that activism/ranting (however one wants to call it) is not translating into significantly improved Wikipedia content. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 23:06, 20 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- @Piotrus: Well I am glad I am not the only editor on Wikipedia who believes that NOT all notable subjects have alrerady been written about (as I have heard many, many times). XOttawahitech (talk) 23:28, 20 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- @Ottawahitech:: As I argue in User:Piotrus/Wikipedia interwiki and specialized knowledge test we are still under 10% of complete coverage. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:41, 21 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- @Piotrus: Impressive! I hope I can find the time to check it out carefully, and I wonder if user:The ed17 will consider covering this in the wp:signpost. Here is an old discussion I dug out on this issue that may interest you: Book_talk:Wikipedia:_The_Missing_Manual#Wikipedia already has articles about the most important topics?. XOttawahitech (talk) 15:37, 21 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Piotus that there is a lack of coverage. I would add that what we do have often contains outdated data and statistics. I wish I had more time to cover it, I spend quite a it of time putting together the most recent inequality data and statistics for classes I teach, but haven't been able to turn that into articles, yet. There are a number of statistics that can be used; the Gini coefficient was developed to compare inequality between countries, but I see it used now to even compare states in the USA. Meclee (talk) 05:31, 21 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]