Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Assessment/A-Class review/Interstate 470 (Missouri)

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Not promoted - stale. We considered fixing the issues ourselves and passing, but the issues turned out to be too big to be fixable. --Rs chen 7754 05:08, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Interstate 470 (Missouri)

Suggestion: Promote to A-Class

Nominator's comments: Wee 2x 470s at the moment are at ACR. I have taken comments from other ACRs and tried to implement them here first so that this will be as easy as possible.

Nominated by: Admr Boltz 05:38, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

First comment occurred: 05:46, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

You have 1 dead external link. (More comments later) --P C B 05:46, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Done typo :p --Admr Boltz 05:48, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dough

Resolved issues from Dough 48 72 00:30, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments - I have some concerns with the article before I can support it for A-class:

Is it possible for the lead to be reorganized to describe the route first, then discuss its history?
Done --Admr Boltz 00:01, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"The concurrent highways continue east through lightly populated Jackson County,", by lightly populated, what kind of physical surroundings does the route pass?
Done --Admr Boltz 20:25, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"Just north of the airport is an interchange with 83rd Street, followed by an interchange with Woods Chapel Road", what airport is this?
Done --Admr Boltz 23:59, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"Lakewood Lakes passes to the west of the freeway as it travels north, while an interchange with Northeast Bowlin Road serves as an access road to Blue Springs Lake to the east", what is Lakewood Lakes?
It is a lake. --Admr Boltz 23:59, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Can this be indicated more clearly in the article? From the way I read it, I could of confused it for a residential subdivision. Dough 48 72 00:10, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Done --Admr Boltz 20:27, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Overall, the route description lacks details on what physical surroundings the road passes. Based on the information given, I cannot tell whether it passes homes and business or rural areas.
Done --Admr Boltz 20:25, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"The second was an addition to the cloverleaf at US 50 in Lee's Summit, with the addition of the access roads to Pryor Road and Northwest Blue Parkway.", addition is used here twice. Can one of the instances be changed?
Done --Admr Boltz 23:59, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Can some more details about the construction of I-470 be added to the history?
1. The KC Star's archives are only avail from 91 forward, and Google News has nothing of use between '50-'80. I have old MoDOT maps, but the info you see in the article is what I gathered from the maps. --Admr Boltz 20:22, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"The north-south portion of the highway had existed since at least 1970 as US 71 Bypass,[1] and was renumbered to Route 291 between 1970 and 1971", was this a freeway-standard road?
Done --Admr Boltz 00:41, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"The remaining section of freeway, between US 50 and Route 291 was opened to traffic in 1983, completing the route", did this replace the aforementioned US 71 Bypass?
US 71 BYP was absorbed into the highway. --Admr Boltz 23:59, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This needs to be clarified in the article. Dough 48 72 00:28, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Done --Admr Boltz 00:41, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
In the exit list, the airport sign is not needed.
Done --Admr Boltz 23:59, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Is it possible for a picture of the road to be added to the article? Dough 48 72 23:50, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I did not see a picture on Flickr that was already freely licensed. As Flickr is blocked from work I will look tonight to see if I have a (c) one that I can have the photographer relicense. --Admr Boltz 23:59, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A couple of more concerns:

The sentence "US 40, which parallels I-70 through most of Missouri is the penultimate exit, serving the southern portions of Independence and Blue Springs before I-470 meets I-70 at a cloverleaf interchange, marking the end of I-470 southwest of the Independence Center mall" sounds awkward and probably needs to be split.
Done --Admr Boltz 23:06, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Is the sentence "US 40 is named after Corporal Michael E. Webster, a Missouri State Highway Patrol officer who was killed in the line of duty by a drunk driver." really relevant to I-470. Dough 48 72 22:25, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No, probably not, but as a reader, I would be interested in why US 40 was named the Cpl. ME Webster Memorial Pkwy. Also, when I had a coworker read through to make sure it made sense to a non road geek she enjoyed that tidbit. --Admr Boltz 23:06, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support - I will now support this article for A-class. However, I would suggest a little historical research be done and a picture be added before this article goes to FAC. Dough 48 72 00:30, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

PCB

Review by --P C B 04:30, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments: There might be some conflicts with Dough's review since they were done at the same time. Lead:

I think the lead is a little out of order. The history section is also a bit underrepresented in the lead. Perhaps you should move the lead summary of the route description on top, and perhaps the history on the bottom. The structure now jumps between the route, the history, and the route, and the route description is first in the article.
- Rearranged per Dough, but I will look at it again later. --Admr Boltz 00:15, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Route description:

You've already established what the Grandview Triangle is so I think "named" is an awkward word to use.
- Done --Admr Boltz 00:15, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"...travels east, before meeting...." There is either an extra comma or "before" is not necessary.
- Removed. --Admr Boltz 00:15, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Could you specify what Lee's summit is? First time I read it I thought it was in a mountain range.
- No. That's what the blue link is for. Anyways, people from MO will understand. --Admr Boltz 00:15, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
What about the western Union Pacific Line? What happened to it?
- UP chose to abandon it. It happens all the time. --Admr Boltz 00:15, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe mention the Lollapalooza music festival before mentioning Northeast Bowlin Road.
- Done --Admr Boltz 00:15, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Why do you need to use the words penultimate and ultimate? It's not an extremely long freeway. You can keep them if you want but it makes the freeway sound very long, to reach its ultimate end point.
- What wording would you suggest? It's better than repeating "the next" or "the following" interchange. --Admr Boltz 00:15, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fine, but are you supposed to link penultimate to Wiktionary? --P C B 00:52, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I do so that readers who are unfamiliar with the term, similar to how we link decommissioned. --Admr Boltz 01:21, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

History:

"since at least 1970 as US 71 Bypass" sounds a little awkward. I think it's the "at least" that makes it sound strange. Either move the date to the beginning of the sentence, the reference to US 71 Bypass to the beginning of the sentence or reword "at least".
- How is that awkward? --Admr Boltz 00:15, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Is "at least" referring to after 1970 or by 1970?

Reworked. --Admr Boltz 01:21, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think "remaining section" and "completing" is a little redundant. You already established that it's the last section of the highway, so you don't need to complete the route.
- I removed "remaining section" but left in "completing". --Admr Boltz 00:15, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Instead of using "the first, the second, the third" perhaps you could use "the final", "the next", "the last", or phrases like those.
- Why? --Admr Boltz 00:15, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion, it's a little repetitive. --P C B 00:52, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed one use of "the first" but I only use the second and the third once each. --Admr Boltz 06:48, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

First the beginning of the second paragraph stated that there were three new interchanges. But the second one wasn't new. It was only an addition. Maybe you could fix that in the topic sentence.
- Done --Admr Boltz 00:15, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The last sentence of the second paragraph is a little vague. To me, it sounds like the opening of the interchange cost money, but it was really the construction that cost 18 million dollars.
- Done --Admr Boltz 00:15, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Find a different word for collapse, there are 4 instances of the word or its form in the last paragraph.
- Done --Admr Boltz 00:15, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps mention in the first sentence instead of implying in the second that it was the westbound lanes that collapsed.
- "forced to close the westbound lanes of I-470" - how am I not mentioning the westbound lanes??? --Admr Boltz 00:15, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry–I didn't see that. --P C B 00:52, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ground water as in water on the ground or groundwater as in aquifers?
- The article was not specific. --Admr Boltz 00:15, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a cost for the opening of the new bridge? (I predict the "If I had that it would already be in the article.")
- You would be correct. --Admr Boltz 00:15, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Other:

Could you specify somewhere that View High Drive is on the border of Kansas City and Lee's Summit? --P C B 00:01, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Done --Admr Boltz 00:15, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
One other issue I have; perhaps briefly mention the new interchanges and perhaps the collapse in the lead.--P C B 04:25, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Done --Admr Boltz 04:28, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - That was fast. :) --P C B 04:29, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I support this article for A-class. --P C B 04:31, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Rschen7754

Infobox - if you're doing a map as the source for the founded date, you need two of them.
- I looked at the MoDOT maps back to 1967, and I-470 is still there. This discrepancy needs to be resolved in the infobox and in the history.
Lead - Between about 38,000 and 75,000 vehicles use the freeway on an average day. - the first two words don't really go together.
RD - Lakewood Lakes, a pair of connected lakes, passes to the west of the freeway as it travels north. - not very well phrased, the freeway would pass near the lake, not the other way around.
penultimate - is it allowed to link to Wikitionary like that?
US 40 is named after Corporal Michael E. Webster, a Missouri State Highway Patrol officer who was killed in the line of duty by a drunk driver. - way too tangential
History - The north-south portion of the highway, then designated US 71 Bypass had been in existence since 1970 and was renumbered to Route 291 between 1970 and 1971. - needs comma after Bypass
The first addition was an interchange with View High Drive, which was constructed in early 1993 costing about $2 million to complete. - comma after 1993. Also what's the status of the stuff regarding inflation?
The third interchange, with Strother Road was first planned to be constructed in 2008. - no comma after interchange
Seems like a slight imbalance towards recent events - can this be rectified?
Should be a support once these issues are resolved. --Rs chen 7754 09:06, 13 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per issue with the history above, and since the nominator is inactive, this doesn't look like something I feel comfortable fixing, knowing nothing about Missouri highways. --Rs chen 7754 04:58, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Imzadi1979

Could you specify a break down for the letter suffixes in the exit list's notes column when the exit column lists multiple letters?
A thought that same out of the SS Edmund Fitzgerald FAC and preparations is that when there are twin cities with a common name (in that the two Sault Ste. Maries in MI and ON, here the two Kansas Cities) the references should specify which city is the publication location of a newspaper, even if the city name is in the title.
Fn 11 probably should have an access date just for consistency.
"Two rail lines surround the cloverleaf interchange, both operated by the Union Pacific Railroad, however only the eastern line is operational." Can you change the work "operated" to "owned" to prevent "operated ... operational."

Otherwise, if you fix Rschen's comments and my few additional ones, this should also be a support from me. Imzadi 1979 → 07:52, 7 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I propose setting a maximum length on this; maybe 6 months from the original date? We can't let this go on forever. --Rs chen 7754 20:51, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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