Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/Archive14

October 2004

Was surprised to find out that there is no stub and no category for Armenia-related stubs. It's especially unusual since there is {{Armenia-geo-stub}} and almost 100 articles are tagged with it! I'm not sure how many Armenia-related stubs are in Wikipedia right now, but it seems to be necessary root stub/category... --Monkbel 21:13, 13 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Actually that is not at all unusual. For sparsely stubbed countries, it is not at all unusual for there to be more than 60 geo stubs and less than 60 known stubs of other varieties. Armenia is not helped by being essentially a borderland. Depending on how one thinks of Armenia, it could logically be considered part of Europe, Asia, or the Middle East, so trying to track down 60 stubs that could use the proposed stub may be a bit of a challenge. There's a fair number of pre-1918 Armenia related history stubs with {{MEast-hist-stub}} which given that the historical Armenia stretched further south and west than today (all the way to the Mediterrainean) it seemed the best category to place those stubs. Caerwine 21:45, 13 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

An extreme example of this is Antarctica. There is only an {{antarctica-geo-stub}}, and it is an exception to our rules in that we've turned a blind eye to the three non-geographic Antarctica stubs that it marks (along side the 450 geographic ones). Grutness...wha? 23:12, 13 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

And that's why I think Armenia-stub should be created ASAP - just to be sure any new stubs about Armenia will get this mark. And, gradually, old articles will be found and marked... --Monkbel 07:20, 14 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Given the somewhat fluid nature of the region's boundaries over the centuries, and the fact that there aren't other national stubs in the area, would {{caucasus-stub}} be better? It could take stubs from Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan, and any specifically Caucasus-related items connected with Russia. It's how the geo-stubs started, too, until there became enough to split them out into separate countries. Grutness...wha? 07:35, 14 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

How about a {{caucasus-bio-stub}} as well? I can't name any numbers but I ran across quite a few Georgians and Armenians while sorting {{bio-stub}}s.--Carabinieri 08:54, 15 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

November 2004

{{Caucasus-stub}}, {{Caucasus-bio-stub}}

These sort of got discussed last month with the Armenian stubs, but I'd like to reopen the discussion before creating them. Right now, where to put the Armenian, Azerbaijani, and Georgian stubs is sort of up in the air. These three stubs would have both the relevant European and Middle East categories as parents. Caerwine 16:28, 12 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

In principle I support this proposal, but I would like to know whether "the Caucasus" in this stub includes e.g. Chechnya and Ossetia, or only Armenia, Georgia and Azerbaijan. Aecis ^praatpaal 00:22, 13 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- It's mainly intended to give a parent for Armenia, Georgia, and Azerbaijan because of the fact that they have no X-stub or X-bio-stub and because they fit into both Europe and the Middle East they could otherwise potentially end up in either or both depending upon the stubber's whim. Chechnya and North Ossetia would both take Russian stubs at present so while they might swamped by the primary Russian stubs, they wouldn't get scattered. De jure, South Ossetia is part of Georgia and thus would go in these two stubs. There is no intention on my part to inlcude Russia's Southern Federal District in these stubs. (Note: with slightly over 600 Russian geography stubs and only 7 Federal Districts, the Russia geo stubs should be splitible if we want to; just don't ask me to do it.) If TransCaucasus or SouthCaucasus would make these clearer or more palatible, I have no objection to so modifying the names. 05:56, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Country based musician stubs

Since the SFD for Finland-musician-stub ended with us keeping it, despite less than 40 such known stubs, lets go ahead and use the concept to help split the national biography categories that are very large. Because of the instrument and genre based splits that are being done, I doubt if this will do much to end double stubbing, but that's not why I'm proposing these:

The parent bio cats of all six of these are at 5 pages or more and I can attest to the fact that there are quite a few musician stubs for each from my current efforts at restubbing Category:Musician stubs. Caerwine 05:50, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I think that it will create some mess. Some musician stubs will be assigned an instrument tag, some national, and some both. If this category is being split by instument, this should be done all the way. To reduce the load of national bio categories, things like {{US-guitarist-stub}} might be considered (there are nearly 600 guitarist stubs already, I'm pretty sure many of them are about Americans). Conscious 18:50, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it is a mess, and will be a mess, but with Finland-musician-stub having survived the SfD earlier this month it is no longer an avoidable mess in my opinion, and the pairing of {{US-musician-stub}} and {{guitarist-stub}} won't really be any worse than {{US-bio-stub}} and {{guitarist-stub}}. That said, if there are enough stubs to make it worthwhile, we might add a {{US-guitarist-stub}} to the list someday, but not today please. Caerwine 19:12, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No objections, then. (Actually, there is one way to clean it up - making a pure country-based split - but sadly such a proposal would mean reverting much of last few weeks' project's work). Conscious 07:15, 19 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

a country split would be useful for small countries. say if youre in jamaica youre more likely to know about jamaican musicians than any other musicians. people know about local bands. by instrument makes sense for classical or jazz but i dont think it does for rock. BL kiss the lizard 22:23, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

While this is not the ideal situation (splitting by instrument and nation), the retention of {{Finland-musician-stub}} implies that we should introduce other nationality stub templates. Create the proposed country stub templates now and later (if necessary) split some of them by instrument. --Bruce1ee 04:53, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It's a similar sort of situation to that with the buildings and structures stubs. Not perfect, but workable. It works best with the bio-stubs, where we split by occupation and nationality. I don't see anything wrong with using it for bands and musicians. Grutness...wha? 05:34, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This stub would greatly relieve the stress on {{plant-stub}}. I found more than 100 potential articles for the new stub among the plant stubs. -- EncycloPetey 13:42, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I think I already know the wording of that template: "This tree is a stump. You can help Wikipedia by lovingly nourishing and growing it." ;) Aecis [[User_talk:Aecis|<sup>praatpaal</sup>]] 14:10, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've now made the template & category. -- EncycloPetey 05:30, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Dentistry stub

This is the first time I have ever been to this page, but I did not know where else to ask this. Is there already a Dentistry stub for dental related articles? There is already a medical stub and a pharmacy stub, but I have not seen one for dentistry. Since dental articles have been my focus for some time now, I run across many articles (such as Tomes' process, Onlay, Inlay, Amelogenin, Ameloblastin, Rod sheath, Enamelin, Pulp (tooth), and many MANY more) that directly relate to dentistry, but are tagged as either anatomy or medicine stubs. If there is one already out there, then I can go back and change those tags and begin using it for any future dental stubs. If there is not one already out there, what do you think of creating one? It would be appropriate in my opinion. -Dozenist talk 14:23, 19 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The stub list page doesn't show a {{dentistry-stub}}. With the medicine stubs in the overlarge category at 11 pages, I certainly have no objections, providing that it reaches the normal 60 stub threshold, which it sounds like it will. Caerwine 17:54, 19 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Glad you brought that up because I was about to ask what the 11 pages referred to. When I click on the link, it takes me to Medicine stubs and I see that there are 9 subcategories, but it also lists 191 articles tagged as a "Medicine stub". ...So what does the 11 mean? -Dozenist talk 20:21, 19 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

About the 11 pages: The page you saw is page 1. If you look on that same page, you'll see a link that says "next 200". That'll take you to page 2. And so on, until page 11. 11 pages means probably somewhere between 2000 and 2200 stubs. --Alynna 20:26, 19 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

... ... ...wow. That is a TON of articles. I had no idea that is what that meant. Thanks for the clarification. -Dozenist talk 21:02, 19 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

thats why this page is always so busy for us trying to keep catagories to small sizes! BL kiss the lizard 00:35, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a list of articles marked as stubs (or needed to marked as one), in case I was supposed to list them. These were the ones that were easy for me to find. I looked at the instruction in making a stub, and that seems a little daunting to me. Is there anyone that can help me with that? -Dozenist talk 15:24, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe someone could find a suitable image for the template. Conscious 19:38, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Two more musician stubs

I have two more to propose, mainly to cut down on double-stubbing.

{{singer-guitarist-stub}}
{{singer-keyboardist-stub}}

Both are fairly common for small bands that skimp on size by having instrumentalists also sing. I'm not certain if there would be the necessary 60 stubs for combining singer with other instrumentalists, so I'm not proposing them at this time. Caerwine 17:54, 19 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

More {{Nationality-band-stub}}s

Currently {{Band-stub}} has 2 nationality sub-stub templates, {{US-band-stub}} and {{UK-band-stub}}. While resorting {{Band-stub}} I've found enough stubs for at least 5 more country sub-stubs templates. I'm proposing:

These new stubs templates will have at least 100 stubs, some up to around 200 stubs. At this stage there is no need to further subdivide by genre. --Bruce1ee 04:48, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

A week has passed: I've created these stub categories and templates. --Bruce1ee 08:53, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Erroneous stub type

I found the template:Strategy-cvg-stub which attempts to add to category:puzzle game stubs. Apparently the termplate has been used but the category doesn't exist. It should be cleaned up though I don't know in which manner. RJFJR 02:55, 16 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like someone decided to include puzzle games in that template, and then someone else changed the category and wording to only puzzle stubs. I've changed to back to Category:Strategy game stubs and listed both types in the wording. Now all the articles in Category:Puzzle game stubs just need null edits, so the categories will show them correctly. --Mairi 03:14, 16 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what's going on with this one, but the category looks very strange. It needs a serious fix-up! Grutness...wha? 06:01, 16 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This is complete madness! This template leads into a category called Category:Computer and video game templates! This means that all CVG stubs - along with all full articles which use other CVG templates - will get dumped into this category with the templates. Sheer and utter insanity. What's more, the category has some very interesting and previously unreported stub templates: {{Capcom-stub}}. {{Sega-stub}}. What is going on here? Grutness...wha? 05:07, 17 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like what happened here is that CyberSkull was creative with the <includeonly> and <noinclude> tags, based on what I saw when I looked at the code for the anime-cvg-stub and cvg-culture-stub templates. He includeonly-ed the category that the template feeds into so that the template itself doesn't show up in the category, He also noinclude-ed the CVG templates category. This isn't the usual way of doing things, but the CVG project wants to use the noinclude to enable it to keep track its stub stemplates, I don't see a problem. I'm less sangine about the includeonly, by and large the other stub templates don't use that trick, and I'm not certain its worth the effort, since it makes it more difficult to see which category the stub feeds into when one looks at the template. At the very least, if we're going to includeonly the category, we should noinclude a message stating which category the template feeds into. Caerwine 04:12, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The template was created properly by ADeveria (talk · contribs), as a result of the discussion on computer and video game stubs below. His template fed into Category:Strategy game stubs. CyberSkull (talk · contribs) erroneously edited the category to Category:Computer and video game stubs (presumably as a result of copy-pasting from {{cvg-stub}}), which he immediately fixed. But a month later, Cyberskull made it a puzzle-game only stub, removed every reference to strategy games from the title and replaced Category:Strategy game stubs with Category:Puzzle game stubs and Category:Computer and video game templates. Judging from CyberSkull's contributions, this doesn't seem to have been discussed anywhere. I performed a null edit on Itadaki Street, and it didn't screw up anything in the categorization. Aecis 08:19, 17 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

0.o I messed one up? Sorry, I was trying to standardize the coding style of the stubs for easier editing. I must have pasted the wrong thing in that stub then… Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 12:58, 26 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{Capcom-stub}} and {{Sega-stub}} (and others) are mentioned at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Discoveries#Video game company stubs. You'd also commented in the discussion about them there ;) I wouldn't mind seeing some of those deleted... --Mairi 05:26, 19 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sigh. With so many different stubs being discussed here, is it any wonder I forget a few? <:) Grutness...wha? 05:42, 19 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

None of the stubs that I created have done any harm. They don't prevent anyone from adding to the genre-specific stubs. And as I've already proved, they can be easily populated. The only problem is that one has to have the time and determination to search high and low for stubby articles without a stubby notice. - A Link to the Past (talk) 07:43, 23 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Other stub-related discussions

B and G codes

I'd like to propose adding *B and *G codes to the list to indicate that there ate biography and geography stubs associated with a particular stub type. This would cut down on the number of additional lines needed to indicate child stub types, especially the *B code which would be useful for things besides regions: For example:

Current

- American football stubs ({{Amfootball-stub}}, <400 as at August 26)
  - Child: {{Amfootbio-stub}} below under {{Sportbio-stub}}

Proposed

- American football stubs (*B | {{Amfootball-stub}}, <400 as at August 26)

So what do you think? Caerwine 03:57, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like a good way to shorten the page - *H could be used for history subcats, too. I'm a little worried that all the abbreviations might put off casual stub sorters, but other than that it sounds like a good scheme. Grutness...wha? 11:41, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- We don't have all that many history stub types at the moment. The bio's and geo's are fairly common tho. Caerwine 15:07, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  - What about *C (culture), *S (Structure) and *E (Economy)? Aecis 19:31, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    - Well, there are no specific culture stubs, and no specific econ ones listed on WP:WSS/ST either. --Mairi 19:44, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      - Off the top of my head, I recall {{india-eco-stub}}/Category:Economy of India stubs. It doesn't seem to be listed on WP:WSS/ST or Category:Stub categories though. I'll fix that right away. Aecis 08:01, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
        It's listed at WP:WSS/D, where it's mentioned that it could use a rename... --Mairi 20:33, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I've been bold and added *B to the list of codes. Later today I'll go thru and add it to listings that have associated bio-stubs, but don't give any mention of that... --Mairi 21:22, 10 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

SL-stub

SL-stub was created to hold stub articles related to Sri Lanka and it was listed to be deleted. Please accept this proposal.

--219.111.147.99 16:49, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, it was listed for renaming (template to {{SriLanka-stub}}, category to Category:Sri Lanka stubs). If you have something to say, you should do so at WP:SFD. Conscious 18:55, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]