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Article promoted Nick-D (talk) 06:02, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Thomas Blamey

Nominator(s): Hawkeye7 (talk)

Field Marshal Sir Thomas Albert Blamey was an Australian general of the First and Second World Wars, and the first, and to date only, Australian to attain the rank of field marshal. Hawkeye7 (talk) 06:10, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

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A good article which I enjoyed reading. Minor ce points listed below:

Lead:

• "and implemented innovations such as police dogs and wireless patrols" - I couldn't work out what a "wireless patrol" was.
  •  Done Explanation added. Hawkeye7 (talk) 04:08, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Early life:

• "After some earlier farming failures, his father Richard ran a small farm" - repetition of "farm" - "agricultural" or "business" perhaps instead?
  •  Done Reworded. Hawkeye7 (talk) 04:08, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
• "Blamey was involved in the Methodist Church and had been since childhood. " - seemed slightly awkwardly phrased.
  •  Done Reworded. Hawkeye7 (talk) 04:08, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Early military career:

• "However, upon the creation of the Cadet Instructional Staff of the Australian Military Forces, he saw a new opportunity..." - I'd avoid starting a new section with "However..."
  •  Done Reworded. Hawkeye7 (talk) 04:08, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
• "His first child, a boy named Charles Middleton after a friend of Blamey's who had died in a shooting accident, but known to his family as Dolf," - unclear if the boy was called Dolf, or the friend. I suspect the boy, but could be clarified.
  •  Done Reworded. Hawkeye7 (talk) 04:08, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

First World War:

• "But trained staff officers were rare in the Australian Army..." - the "But..." seemed a sharp way to start the sentence.
  •  Done Reworded. Hawkeye7 (talk) 04:08, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
• "For his services as Corps Chief of Staff, Blamey was appointed Companion of the Order of the Bath in 1919,[31] mentioned in despatches twice more,[32] 1919,[33] and was awarded the French Croix de guerre." "twice more in 1919"?
  •  Done Typo. Hawkeye7 (talk) 04:08, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Interwar years:

• "he was entitled to keep that rank as an honorary rank," - repetition of "rank"
  •  Done Reworded. Hawkeye7 (talk) 04:08, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
• "He reported that the "conception of an Imperial General Staff... was absolutely dead." It wasn't clear to me what this meant; did he get there to find that the IGS had been abandoned/shut down?
  •  Done Typo. Hawkeye7 (talk) 04:08, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
• " a salary of £1,500 per annum" - worth giving a modern equivalent. (Similarly the later figures)
  •  Done The conversion template does not handle this. Hawkeye7 (talk) 04:08, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

• Might be worth trying MeasuringWorth - it's academically rigorous, gives helpful advice on measures and has successfully stood up to review at FA. Hchc2009 (talk) 07:25, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
  • Tried my best here. Due to a bug in the template, we can only convert to 2008 dollars. Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:34, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Second World War:

• "For brigade commanders he chose..." the sequencing makes it unclear who the "he" is.
  •  Done Reworded. Hawkeye7 (talk) 04:08, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Final campaigns:

• " he brought with him several cases of spirits, providing all the ingredients he needed to turn the Prime Minister's party into a real party. " - the "real party", although sounding fun (!), also sounds a bit informal in tone.
  •  Done Reworded. Hawkeye7 (talk) 04:08, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Post-war:

• "Blamey offered to resign, as the war was over," - this might read better as "Blamey offered to resign; as the war was over"
  •  Done Reworded. Hawkeye7 (talk) 04:08, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Hchc2009 (talk) 18:34, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

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    • Arthur Allen
      •  Done Hawkeye7 (talk) 01:02, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
    • Bougainville
      •  Done Hawkeye7 (talk) 01:02, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
    • Supreme Commander
      •  Done Hawkeye7 (talk) 01:02, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
    • William Bridges
      •  Done Hawkeye7 (talk) 01:02, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
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  • Field Marshal (Australia) is linked twice in the lead sentence.
  •  Done unlinked Hawkeye7 (talk) 01:02, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
  • "Blamey joined the Australian Army as a regular soldier in 1906, and attended the Staff College Quetta." Would this work better like this "Blamey joined the Australian Army as a regular soldier in 1906, and attended the Staff College at Quetta."
  •  Done Hawkeye7 (talk) 01:02, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
  • Missing word here I think: "He Deputy Commander in Chief in the Middle East."
    •  Done Hawkeye7 (talk) 01:02, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
  • "...during the final campaigns of the war he faced mounted criticism...", should this be "mounting criticism"?
  •  Done. Re-worded. Hawkeye7 (talk) 01:02, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
  • Missing word here too I think: "Blamey began his working life in 1899 as a trainee school teacher Lake Albert School...", should it be "Blamey began his working life in 1899 as a trainee school teacher at Lake Albert School."
    •  Done. Hawkeye7 (talk) 02:09, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
  • And here: "In 1901, transferred to South Wagga Public School", should it be "In 1901, he transferred to South Wagga Public School."
    •  Done. Hawkeye7 (talk) 02:09, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
  • "...on the staff of the Major General William Bridges' 1st Division", might work better as "on the staff of Major General William Bridges' 1st Division."
    •  Done. Hawkeye7 (talk) 02:09, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
  • "at 0720 on 25 April 1915...", I believe this should be "at 07:20 on 25 April 1915..." per WP:MOSTIME
    •  Done. Hawkeye7 (talk) 02:09, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
  • "On 13 September he was admitted to hospital and was eventually evacuated to England and did not return until 8 November 1917...", do we know why?
    •  Done. Yes, but it is written by a doctor, hence barely legible. Hawkeye7 (talk) 02:09, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
  • "he would remain in the Army as a part time soldier...", should "part time" be "part-time".
    •  Done. Hawkeye7 (talk) 02:09, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
  • This sentence might need to be reworded: "Blamey protected the man, whom he said was married with children, has never been identified, but the description of him given by the detectives and the brothel owner did not match Blamey." Consider perhaps "Blamey protected the man, whom he said was married with children, and never identified him, but the description of him given by the detectives and the brothel owner did not match Blamey."
    •  Done. Hawkeye7 (talk) 02:09, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
  • This is unclear to me: "Many members of the public did agree with this attitude." Did agree or did not agree? If the former, consider "agreed".
    •  Done. Hawkeye7 (talk) 02:09, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
  • "...but with days Blamey was informed...", should this be "...but with in days Blamey was informed.."
    •  Done. Hawkeye7 (talk) 02:09, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
  • This is repetitive (use of operations twice in same sentence): "These operations aroused considerable criticism on the grounds that the operations were unnecessary...", consider "These operations aroused considerable criticism on the grounds that they were unnecessary..."
    •  Done. Hawkeye7 (talk) 02:09, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
  • Missing word here "He was also criticised for not spending in forward areas...", perhaps "He was also criticised for not spending time in forward areas..."?
    •  Done. Hawkeye7 (talk) 02:09, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
  • This is repetitive also: "Blamey is honoured in Australia in various ways, including by the square named in his honour..."
    •  Done. Hawkeye7 (talk) 02:09, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
  • Minor inconsistencies with the presentation of isbns in the references as some have hypthens and others do not.
    •  Done. Ran a script over it. Hawkeye7 (talk) 02:09, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
  • Overlinking of David Horner in the reference list.
    •  Done. Ran over David. Hawkeye7 (talk) 02:09, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
  • Overall, this article is quite good and there are just a few fairly minor issues to deal with / discuss. Anotherclown (talk) 13:03, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
    • Looks good, all my points have been taken care of now so I've added my support. Anotherclown (talk) 12:42, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

• Support Suggestions:
  • in the lead it says "promoted to field marshal in 1951", however, later it says "Blamey was duly promoted to field marshal in the King's Birthday Honours of 8 June 1950";
    •  Done Corrected. Hawkeye7 (talk) 19:14, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
  • in the lead, "He attended Japan's ceremonial surrender in Tokyo Bay on 3 September 1945 and signed the Instrument of Surrender on behalf of Australia, and later personally accepted the Japanese surrender at Morotai". This might be smoother if you remove the second last and, for instance: "He attended Japan's ceremonial surrender in Tokyo Bay on 3 September 1945, signed the Instrument of Surrender on behalf of Australia, and later personally accepted the Japanese surrender at Morotai."
    •  Done Hawkeye7 (talk) 19:14, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
  • I think you need a second or "paired" comma here: "24 January 1884 in Lake Albert, New South Wales near Wagga Wagga, New South Wales" (after "Lake Albert, New South Wales"). AustralianRupert (talk) 11:01, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
    •  Done Corrected. Hawkeye7 (talk) 19:14, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
  • there is some inconsistency in style: "be appointed commander in chief" and then "addition to his duties as Commander in Chief";
    •  Done Hawkeye7 (talk) 00:43, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
  • some inconsistency here: "He became Chief Commissioner on..." and then "
    •  Done Hawkeye7 (talk) 00:43, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
  • It might be best to expand the abbreviation here: "Blamey's headquarters, which became known as LHQ"...
    •  Done Hawkeye7 (talk) 00:43, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
  • I'm not sure about the punctuation here: "During a speech to the 21st Infantry Brigade on 9 November 1942: The implication..."
    •  Done Hawkeye7 (talk) 00:43, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
  • possibly a bit repetitive: "The success of the campaign silenced some critics. Blamey was annoyed by the campaign run" ("campaign" twice);
    •  Done Funny how all the critics fall silent when Murdoch whistles. Hawkeye7 (talk) 00:43, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
  • in the Legacy section: "including by the square named him around" might sound smoother as: "including by the square named after him around";
    •  Done Hawkeye7 (talk) 00:43, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
  • in the Legacy section, "A larger statue is in Kings Domain, Melbourne on the corner " (probably needs a second comma after "Melbourne");
    •  Done Hawkeye7 (talk) 00:43, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
  • in the References, I think this should be slightly tweaked: Blamey, Controversial Soldier : a biography of Field Marshal Sir Thomas Blamey (issue with the space before the colon, and "a biography" should probably be "A Biography")
  • as above, Blamey : The Commander-in-Chief, should probably be: Blamey: The Commander-in-Chief.
    •  Done Hawkeye7 (talk) 00:43, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

AustralianRupert (talk) 10:42, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

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