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Robert Nimmo

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Robert Nimmo served in WWI as a light horse officer, in WWII commanding several brigades, with the British Commonwealth Occupation Force in Japan commanding the Australian infantry brigade, and then Northern Command back in Australia as a major general. He had virtually reached retirement age when he was picked as the chief military observer with the United Nations Military Observer Group in India and Pakistan, a position he held from 1950 until his death in 1966. He was described as "by far the most successful United Nations observer ever", was the first Australian to command a multinational peacekeeping force, and his command of UNMOGIP remains the longest ever command of a UN mission. This year marks the 75th anniversary of Australia's first involvement in peacekeeping operations, and as a peacekeeper myself I thought I'd bring this one up to scratch as a way of commemorating that milestone. It just underwent a GAN by Hawkeye7. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:27, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Hawkeye7

I reviewed this article at GA and believe that it is of the appropriate standard for A-class. A couple of points:

After nearly a year in this role, on 17 May 1944 he was posted to the same role at Second Army in the eastern states. While Second Army was responsible for units in the south eastern states, its headquarters where Nimmo was stationed was in Parramatta, New South Wales.
Upon arrival he took command of the 4th Base Sub Area To me this is where I first encountered Nimmo; but casual readers may not know that the 4th Base Sub Area was the logistical unit supporting the fighting in the Bougainville campaign.

Hawkeye7 (discuss) 09:37, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Both done. Thanks Hawkeye! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:39, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

File:Nimmo (AWM 097387).jpg, File:Officers of the 5th Light Horse Regiment in 1914.jpg, File:Dueidar camp of the 5th Light Horse Regiment.jpg, File:Officers of the 5th Light Horse Regiment at Romani.jpg, File:Robert Nimmo and his son James.jpg, - AWM image - copyright expired - okay Hawkeye7 (discuss) 09:37, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hawkeye7 (discuss) 09:37, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:40, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source review

All sources are high quality
Spot checks: 7, 16, 22, 23, 25 - okay
Melbourne University Press is the only publisher linked - suggest unlinking.
Link Lachlan Chisholm Wilson, David Horner
You can link Bean Volume II to [1]

Hawkeye7 (discuss) 09:37, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

All done, thanks Hawkeye! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:43, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Gog the Mild

Link sheep station, it is a distinctly antipodean usage.

Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:12, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

and then an armoured brigade in Australia. He was then posted as a senior staff officer at corps and then at". Optional at ACR, but a lot of then's.

Sure, broken up/reworded. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:12, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"having held the position of the senior cadet in his class". Is it known either how many cadets were in the class or what the criteria for becoming senior cadet were?

Added, and also added a couple of references about his award of the 1915 Sword of Honour after the war ended. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:12, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The paragraph starting "In the second week of June" is a tad long.

Addressed. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:12, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Through extreme heat they forced their way". Can one actually force a way through intense heat? Would one use a machete?

LOL. Waxing a bit lyrical there. Fixed. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:12, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"He returned to his former temporary rank". A picky point, but do we need both "He returned" and "former".

No, reworded. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:12, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Would a reader be correct in assuming that Nimmo didn't see any WWI action after Gallipoli?

Well, no. He was mainly in unit and brigade staff jobs for the rest of the war, but was a squadron commander in the 5th Light Horse Regiment from 14 July 1917 to June 1918, and he would definitely have seen some action. I will correct this deficit. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:12, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"when World War II broke out in September 1939." I don't think we need the "1939".

Definitely not. Deleted. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:12, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"In 1 June".

Fixed. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:12, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Nimmo also calmly and deftly handled". Rather than use Wikipedia's voice, could we ascribe this to someone?

Done, and reworded. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:12, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"following the death of the previous chief military observer in an aircraft crash." Might it be worth naming them?

Sure, done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:12, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

More personal interest than for the article, but what's an honorary lieutenant general? I assume it is not similar to an honorary colonel.

Yes, usually an honorary promotion made on retirement or thereafter. Generally, honorary rank is treated as if it were substantive (ie you wear the honorary rank if in uniform after retirement, but usually does not grant a corresponding wage or pension increase. In Nimmo's case, most likely to recognise his exemplary service to Australia via the UN after his formal retirement from the Army. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:12, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent. Should sail through FAC. Gog the Mild (talk) 19:42, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review, Gog. I'll ping you when I've added the detail about his time as a squadron commander. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:12, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

OK, all done now Gog. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:49, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

HF - support

I'll try to get to this over the next couple days. Hog Farm _Talk 19:43, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry this took so long, had a bunch of stuff come up.

" so he quickly gathered a dozen men, explained the situation and ordered them to engage the exposed Ottoman troops with five rounds of rapid rifle fire" - unclear if this is Nimmo or the sergeant

Nimmo, fixed. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:52, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"On 12 December Nimmo was temporarily detached to the 3rd Light Horse Brigade," - do we know for what purpose?

Not clear, I'm guessing in a staff role. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:52, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"In 1930, he was best player in the victorious Victorian team in the all-Australian hockey championship" - attribution for the description as best player, as this is a matter of opinion in most cases?

The Age newspaper, attributed. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:52, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Londey, Peter (30 March 2021). "Robert Nimmo". Retrieved 10 September 2022." - needs publisher

The AWM, added. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:52, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not much to complain about, fully anticipating supporting. Hog Farm _Talk 02:51, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking a look, Hog Farm. All done I think. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:52, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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