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List of protected cruisers of France

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List of protected cruisers of France (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

This list covers all of the protected cruisers built by France from the 1880s to early 1900s - these ships represented a competition between different elements in the French naval officer corps. Some favored long-range commerce raiders, others preferred small fleet scouts, while others wanted ships suitable for patrolling the French colonial empire. This led to a wide variety of ships being built, from small scouts like the Troude and Forbin classes, large but lightly armed raiders like Guichen, to large and heavily armed colonial cruisers like D'Entrecasteaux. The French eventually decided on relying on armored cruisers for all of these roles by the early 1900s, so no further protected cruisers were built. Thanks to all who take the time to review the list. Parsecboy (talk) 11:11, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Comments by Indy beetle

• The actual list portion of the article appears to be very well sourced and appropriately detailed for a list.
• I have concerns about this sentence in the lead A third group sought more cruisers to expand and defend the French colonial empire. It's not apparent from the article (unless you can point it out to me) that there was a third clique of officers specifically advocating for more colonial service vessels. The closest is The acquisition of French Indochina during this period gave leverage to the [commerce raider supporters]. -Indy beetle (talk) 22:22, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
  • A good catch - I've added a bit on this in the section on D'Entrecasteaux. Thanks Indy. Parsecboy (talk) 15:26, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
    • @Indy Beetle: - Do you have any additional comments here? Hog Farm _Talk 16:05, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

SupportComments by Sturmvogel_66

• No DABs, external links OK
• , all of which had three members Suggest rephrasing as "three-ship x classes"
  • Good idea
• the three Alger-class vessels filled the requirement for the three medium cruisers. How does this fulfill Aube's building program as detailed in the Davout section?
  • Should have been large cruisers, good catch
• Capitalize "Bay of Nouadhibou" as it's a proper name
  • Fixed
• but what ultimately became of the ship is unknown. Suggest something along the lines of "her fate is unknown"
  • Done
• Nicely done.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 22:55, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Sturm. Parsecboy (talk) 20:42, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

De nada--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 15:28, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

HF

Claiming a spot. Hog Farm _Talk 07:14, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

• "two more vessels of similar but larger designs—Tage and Amiral Cécille followed shortly thereafter." - I may be wrong, but it feels like there should be another dash, as it seems to me to be setting off "Tage and Amiral Cecille"
  • Fixed
• "Like Sfax, Tage was intended to operate as a commerce raider, and as such originally carried a barque sailing rig." - I find it odd that the sailing rig isn't mentioned for Sfax, especially when the picture of Sfax clearly shows it.
  • Good point, added to the Sfax section
• Likewise, is there a reason why what appears to be a sailing rig on Amiral Cecille isn't mentioned?
  • No, but added
• "In total, she evacuated around 1,200 people to Fort-de-France" - Link Fort-de-France if that's the correct place.
  • Done
• Was Forbin scrapped in 1919 or broken up in 1921? I may not be comprehending something, but this seems to be a contradiction
  • Fixed
• "She took part in the Allied intervention in the Russian Civil War in 1919 before being sold to ship breakers in 1920" - so she was sold to ship breakers in 1920 but not broken up until 1933 (per the table)
  • Fixed
• "while Cassard lingered on in service until 1924, when she, too, was sold for scrap" - Just to clarify, Cassard was sold for scrap in '24 and then not scrapped until the next year?
  • Corrected
• "Flota II Rzeczypospolitej i jej okręty" does not appear to be an English source. Can the reference include what language it is in, as is standard for non-English sources so far as I have seen?
  • Done
• Can we get a publishing location for Everett?
  • Curously, Worldcat doesn't list one
• Sources look reliable enough for what they're citing.

That's it from me, I think. Hog Farm _Talk 18:57, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for a very thorough review. Parsecboy (talk) 21:35, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Nice work, supporting. Hog Farm _Talk 01:38, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Source review

• The various editions of Conway's have chapters written by named authors. So add author, chapter title, and page range for them.
  • You're going to make me fix all of the articles too, aren't ya?
    • Up to you. I myself am doing it for new articles, but only occasionally upgrading older ones.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 02:37, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
• Everett and Pavé lack a place of publication; sources otherwise OK
  • Everett literally does not have one - added to Pave
• Spot checked a couple of ISBNs
• Be consistent about using dashes in ISBNs or not
  • Fixed
• External links OK
• Cites consistently formatted.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 22:50, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
  • Thanks Sturm. Parsecboy (talk) 15:04, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
    • Good to go.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 02:37, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Image review

• Images appropriately licensed. Pity that most of them aren't on Commons, but understandable why.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 22:57, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Support by Nick-D

This article is in good shape. I have only the following comments:

• The first para should say what a protected cruiser was
  • Excellent idea
• "and she was deployed later in the conflict" - should this be 'late in the conflict'?
  • That's tough - Jordan & Caresse aren't clear about when the ship was transferred there, and I haven't been able to track anything down in other sources. Friant was sent there in 1915 after the Entente had more or less conquered Kamerun, but it's unclear when she turned up in Morocco to be converted to a repair ship (which would of course tell us when Surcouf had been sent to replace her. "Late in the conflict" to me implies 1918, and given what little we know about Friant's activities, I'd assume it was probably 1917, but we can't say for certain.
    • OK, fair enough. Nick-D (talk) 08:32, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
• The sentence starting with 'Lavoisier was the only' is a bit over-complex Nick-D (talk) 10:42, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Split up and reworded slightly to avoid repetition.
  • @Parsecboy: I think that you may have missed these comments. Nick-D (talk) 06:54, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
    • I saw them, but was busy trying to get the Deutschland-class battleship FAC over the hump earlier this month (and once your comments here fell off my watchlist...) Thanks for the reminder. Parsecboy (talk) 12:11, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Support My comments are now addressed. Nick-D (talk) 08:32, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

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