Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Fort Ticonderoga

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Fort Ticonderoga

Passed --Eurocopter (talk) 10:59, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator(s): Magic♪piano

Featured article candidates/Fort Ticonderoga/archive1

I'm looking to prep this for FAC. Ticonderoga has an interesting history; its significance as a military fortification has often been somewhat overstated, based largely on one ill-conceived attack nearby. Magic♪piano 14:36, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

~~General comments~~ - (this version)
- Disambigs are okay (Ticonderoga class was purposeful, and I can't find any link to Fort Carillon), as are the external links.
  - Comment I'm mystified what the dabfinder is flagging -- there is no link in the page to Fort Carillon (which is a redirect to this page).
    - I was too! —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 13:41, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      - The link was in new New France navbar; I fixed it. Magic♪piano 00:34, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- "Fort Ticonderoga is a large eighteenth-century fort built at a narrows at the south end of Lake Champlain where a short traverse gives access to the north end of Lake George in the state of New York."
  - "Traverse"? What is that?
    - Comment Hmm. I thought the word made sense there. I'll change it to portage, a more appropriate usage.
- "Lake Champlain, which forms part of the border between modern New York and Vermont, and the Hudson River, together formed an important travel route that was used by Natives before the arrival of European colonists"
  - Does the border between modern NY and VT have anything to do with this para?
    - Comment Not specifically. I give it as a reference point for people who like knowing where things are today...
      - No problem then :) —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 13:41, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Is the comma after Hudson River misplaced?
    - Comment I suppose so.
- "French missionary Isaac Jogues was the first white man to actually traverse the portage at Ticonderoga in 1642, while attempting to escape a battle between the Iroquois and members of the Huron tribe."
  - "attempting"? Did he make it?
    - Comment Good question; I believe he did.
- ~~"These colonial conflicts reached their height in the French and Indian War, beginning in 1754."~~
  - Citation needed?
    - Comment Leads into the next section.
- "The French, in withdrawing from the fort in July 1759, used explosives to destroy what they could of the fort,[33] and spiked or dumped cannons that they did not take with them."
  - ~~Spiked? What is that? (is there a wikilink?)~~
    - Comment See the military verb usage. There isn't a WP page describing this; perhaps it should be described in Cannon.
      - Could you link the worf to the Wikitionary page then? :) —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 13:41, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        But of course; done. Magic♪piano 17:15, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
References comments
- This is asking for a lot of work and is not required for me to support, but could you just have "Lastname (year), p. 00"? I don't like refs 22 through 27 with their "Lastname, Title, p. 00"; it looks odd.
- ~~What does ref #16 have "Forts" in it?~~
- Should ref #30 have a year?
- ~~Can we have all of the online refs go into the "References" section? Some have the full formatting in the in-line citation, while others are linked to the References section (#19 and 77).~~
That's all for now. Great article! Cheers, —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 05:08, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I'll deal with the reference issues soon. Magic♪piano 16:13, 15 March 2009 (UTC) Done. Magic♪piano 17:15, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Ref 30 might not need a year, and I meant for all of the refs to have a year, but it's really not that big of a deal; just my eccentricities. :-) Great work! The article has my full support. —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 17:29, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The article could be polished more along the lines of WP:BTW: I see quite a few terms that could be ilinked to relevant articles. From the first para: European colonists, Colonial times. Sections "Walls and bastions", "Inside and outside" and "Analysis" look very bare, with almost next ilinks in them. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 02:06, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Agreed, I was being lazy. I've added a bunch more links. Magic♪piano 15:37, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support

Please move many images to the left. I only noticed one, while there are many on the right.
Stating that the cannons were hauled to Boston by Henry Knox implies that he tied a rope to them and pulled, please rephrase this to specify forces under his command.

I've made some minor changes, primarily to linking, so it looks good now, except for those two relatively minor problems. – Joe N 23:23, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've moved a bunch of images around. (This is something I'm not always great at; feel free to contribute.) I've also more properly characterized Knox's activity (I'm not sure, considering his alleged physique, that he would have dragged even one cannon very far on flat pavement).

Thanks for finding my typos. Magic♪piano 00:34, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The images all look good now. – Joe N 17:13, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I couldn't find any major issues. Great work. Cla68 (talk) 06:56, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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