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42nd Infantry Division Murska

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Nominator(s): Peacemaker67 (talk)

This is the latest in my series on the Yugoslav order of battle for the invasion of that country in April 1941. This division was largely manned by Croat troops, whose hearts were not in the fight, as many saw the Germans as liberators from Serb oppression in the interwar period and a means to achieve independence. It was one of many Yugoslav formations subjected to the German Kesselschlacht tactics during the invasion, and surrendered after it was encircled. This article has been expanded from a stub in the last month, and has just gone through GAN. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:50, 14 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Images are appropriately licensed. Nikkimaria (talk) 18:41, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Source review For this version of the article.

Spot checks:
- 44a (US Army): this material appears to be on pages 58 (the weather) and 60, not just 60 as shown at present. Checks out though.
  - Fixed.
- 21 (Niehorster 2018a) is a dead link
  - It is resolving intermittently, I had to reload the 500 page several times but got there eventually. Must be a problem with the site at present. I've emailed Leo.
- 13a (Niehorster 2018b) looks OK, AGF that the few elements of the organisation not covered by the online source is covered by the book: it all seems entirely likely.
  - Terzic provides the granular detail.
- Can a page/sub website be provided for reference 19 (Geografski institut JNA)? It's not clear which of the many maps on the website this is referring to.
  - Done, map 1.
All sources are RS. Niehorster is a published expert in the field of WW2 military organisations, and his website has long been an excellent resource. Nick-D (talk) 05:40, 19 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for taking a look, Nick! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:57, 19 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

~~Comments~~ Support by Kges1901

An excellent and interesting article, PM. Some comments:
- In the lead sentence, isn't it redundant to state Yugoslav before 4th Army as it is already stated to be part of the Royal Yugoslav Army and the 4th Army can be assumed to be Yugoslav?
  - Done.
- Also in lead, perhaps rephrase 'modern' as modern weaponry can be used for anything since the 19th century (at least according to the category description)?
  - I think it just has its common meaning of up-to-date.
- Suggest summarizing what happened to its personnel after the surrender at the end of the lead.
  - Done.
- On 6 April, shouldn't LI Infantry Corps be LI Army Corps since the latter is its actual designation?
  - Infantry is used to differentiate it from the later LI Mountain Corps. It is also what some of the sources use.
- Third paragraph of 6 April includes two back to back sentences beginning with times. Perhaps for variation, since there is an exact hour between the estimates, the second could be 'around an hour later' or something similar?
  - Good idea. Done.
- German troops advancing across the German border That the border was German is mentioned at the beginning of the paragraph, so 'German' before border is redundant here.
  - Fixed.
- In 7 April, led the bulk of two regiments from the 42nd ID to revolt Which two regiments? Kges1901 (talk) 13:39, 27 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - The sources don't say, unfortunately.

Thanks for the review, Kges1901. I reckon I've addressed what I can. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 04:54, 31 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support Comments by Sturmvogel_66

Link border guard
Serbian oppression during the interwar period I'd drop everything after oppression as we already know that it was interwar.
Nicely done.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 23:54, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Both done. Thanks for the review, Sturm! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:12, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support from Indy beetle

Is it known if any of these soldiers, or if a significant number of Croat veterans of the invasion, subsequently served in the Croatian Armed Forces (Independent State of Croatia)?

It is highly likely that was the case, many would have been conscripted into the Home Guard when released, and no doubt some were Ustashas and joined the Ustasha Militia after they were released, but I haven't seen any source that explicitly says that. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 04:29, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any known commemoration of this division's service?

Not that I'm aware of. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 04:29, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

-Indy beetle (talk) 04:17, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Supporting promotion - the article is of quality and all my comments have been addressed. -Indy beetle (talk) 05:02, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:19, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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