Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/390th Rifle Division

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390th Rifle Division

Nominator(s): Kges1901 (talk)

I am nominating this article for A-Class review because I believe it meets the standards and would like to further improve another Soviet military history article since this is an area that lacks A-class articles. The 390th had a fairly ordinary career for a World War II rifle division, being destroyed in Crimea and later being reformed to fight in the Soviet invasion of Manchuria. The article was recently promoted to GA. Kges1901 (talk) 13:01, 10 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by EyeTruth

Major M.M. Malkhasyan's 789th Regiment..." and "L.G. Akopov's 792nd Regiment..." and "S. Sargsyan... These initials are useless as pointers, and last names on their own are not enough when you're dealing with an army that fielded a huge number of officers. I would suggest dropping out all the people lacking full names from the article. But you should wait for other opinions on that matter.EyeTruth (talk) 06:46, 12 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I reviewed this article for GA, and I promoted it. I didn't do any source check. So I support on content only. EyeTruth (talk) 06:46, 12 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

Suggest scaling up the map

Done.

File:German_Conquest_of_the_Crimea.png: what is the source of the data presented in this map? Nikkimaria (talk) 14:50, 13 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Says 'own work', but it seems to correlate with what I know about the campaign. Kges1901 (talk) 15:59, 13 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support Comments/suggestions: G'day, I have the following suggestions: AustralianRupert (talk) 04:53, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"during the Kerch-Feodosiya landing operation, which occurred in late-December 1942" --> "December 1941"?

Done

inconsistent terminology: "Second World War" and "World War II" --> either is fine, but please be consistent

Done

"Kerch-Feodosiya landing operation": should have an endash instead of the hyphen

Done

inconsistent caps: "Kerch-Feodosiya Landing Operation" v. "Kerch-Feodosiya landing operation"

Done

"8,979 had never handled weapons": were they subsequently provided any training, or just thrust into the line untrained?

Bezugolny was using these stats to make a point that the conscripts were untrained when they were mobilized, but Russian wiki says "after the formation". Kges1901 (talk) 08:29, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

is there an ISSN or OCLC number for the Bezugolny work?

Done

"First Formation" --> "First formation" per WP:Section caps

Done

"Second Formation" --> "Second formation"

Done

"with the 390th and 398th Rifle Divisions": remove the dab link for 398th and replace with a red link if necessary

Done

"On the overnight of 17–18 March..." --> "On the night of 17–18 March..."

Done

"789th Regiment" --> "789th Rifle Regiment"?

Done

"commanded by the following commanders.[2]" --> probably should be a colon instead of a full stop

Done

"included the following units.[16]" --> same as above

Done

suggest adding mention of Teplyakov to the Second Formation section

Done

are there any casualty figures that could be added?

I haven't found any.

I suggest adding an image to the infobox, if a suitable one exists

Support A couple of minor suggestions:

Link Armenian SSR
Suggest moving the postage stamp into the infobox like the Russian version.

I've linked to the Russian article. Revert if you disagree. Odd that the division would be reformed, but with entirely different components. Was this normal? Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:25, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Reforming a division by reusing the designation was a standard practice in the Red Army. Often the only commonality between the two formations was the designation.Kges1901 (talk) 23:12, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

comments from auntieruth

nice job. I've made some minor copy edits here please feel free to revert if I've done something weird. I suggest, though, that you try to strengthen your verbs and simplify your sentences. :)

in "formation" there should be a link on Armenia, whichever form is appropriate. Also for Russian and Georgian

Per MOS:OVERLINK I do not link modern countries and ethnicities since I think most readers would be familiar. Kges1901 (talk) 02:35, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

link on political officers

Done. Kges1901 (talk) 02:35, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

link Battle of Kerch Peninsula

Good catch, done. Kges1901 (talk) 02:35, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

both armies? Garrison? 51st and 44th? soviet and soviet, ????

Clarified that it was the 51st and 44th who attacked. Not sure what you mean by the other questions though.Kges1901 (talk) 02:35, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

conversion template on the distance?

Good catch, done. Kges1901 (talk) 02:35, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

link Korpech?

Done. Kges1901 (talk) 02:35, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

despite news of the German build up, they were still surprised by a German attack?

That's what the source appears to say.Kges1901 (talk) 02:35, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

penetration that the 390th and 398th Rifle Divisions had made....is this the 1.5-2km mentioned in the previous paragraph? could you clarify in the previous paragraph?

The previous paragraph with kilometers is January fighting in different positions. This penetration is a two-trench line gain in a mid-March attack.Kges1901 (talk) 02:35, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

what are service troops? (staff troops?)

Clarified, rear units.Kges1901 (talk) 02:35, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

17 not seventeen

Done, I guess I'll use AP Style rules for this.Kges1901 (talk) 02:35, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

first mention of air support by Luftwaffe. Did Soviets have air support?

Technically, but the Luftwaffe gained air superiority.Kges1901 (talk) 02:35, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Eltingen? that cannot be right

A small town in Crimea, now a neighborhood of Kerch. Have changed redirect target.Kges1901 (talk) 02:35, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

commanded by commissar? that's the political officer? This is unusual, right?

Unusual, I would guess that the CO became a casualty. Have linked commissar at first mention (Mekhlis) as in this sense it refers specifically to a political officer who assists the regimental commander. (Political officer generally means any functionary in a military unit)Kges1901 (talk) 02:35, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

other units that suffered heavy casualties?

Yes, several other divisions had a similar fate.Kges1901 (talk) 02:35, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

survivors were used to provide the experienced core of new formations

Rephrased.Kges1901 (talk) 02:35, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'd link to Manchuku, not pipe it to Manchuria, and qualify this as the Japanese puppet "republican monarchy" in China.

Rephrased.Kges1901 (talk) 02:35, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

point out that this was the collapse of Japanese military presence in China; occurred after bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and that USSR only declared war on Japan on 8/9 August.

Done.Kges1901 (talk) 02:35, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

why 5th Separate Rifle Corps?

Explained.Kges1901 (talk) 02:35, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Good read, thanks for writing. auntieruth (talk) 00:24, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Auntieruth55: G'day, Ruth, when you get a chance, would you mind taking a look at Kges' changes and letting them know if you are happy to support this for promotion? The review has been open almost four months now, so probably needs to be closed shortly. Thank you for your time. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 02:48, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ruth, just a reminder to look this over and consider if you are happy to support. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:02, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Iazyges

Will start soon. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 00:09, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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