Wikipedia:WikiProject Ice Hockey/Pronger vote

Should Chris Pronger have been suspended for more than eight games for stomping on Ryan Kesler?

Yes

Absolutely. Pronger needs to know how so,ehting could have happened that could have ended a career. If this issue is taken too lightly more issues such as the Todd Bertuzzi problem a few years ago may arise.207.188.67.180 (talk) 23:44, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
At least 15 games. Maxim_(talk) 14:49, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, for sure. I think the main reason why the suspension was only eight games was because the Ducks only had 9 regular season games remaining (at the time of the suspension) and the NHL didn't want to force him to miss a playoff game for the suspension. Pronger has had a history of getting suspended for "stupid" on-ice actions, and this is already the longest suspension of his career. But it's much too short, considering that Chris Simon, who also has had a history of getting in trouble on-ice, got 30 games for a similar infraction. Ksy92003 (talk) 20:23, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely. However, it should have been for a minimum of 25 games considering, as Ksy92003 said above, the number of games Chris Simon got. Any purpose attempt to injure a player such as clearly stomping on the guy's leg should result in a very stiff suspension. There is no place in the game for that. It was possible that he could have possibly injured Ryan Kesler, possibly ending a career. -Pparazorback (talk) 21:14, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yeapp, at least 25 games, Chris Simon got 30, Pronger should get the same treatment. Kaiketsu (talk) 01:25, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This shows the inconsistency of the National Hockey League in handing out suspensions. Todd Bertuzzi was suspended indefinitely for what he did to Steve Moore, but because of the lockout, he only missed 20 games. Pronger gets eight games for intentionally trying to injure somebody, which could've possibly injured Kesler severely if Pronger didn't get his shinpad. Simon, who has had a past with suspensions, gets 30 games for attempting to injure somebody in the same way that Pronger did a couple nights ago. Bertuzzi only missed 20 games for attempting to injure somebody, and Bertuzzi actually did end Moore's career. The NHL is very inconsistent and Campbell says they go on a "case-by-case" instance. There needs to be some sort of standard because one player can't get 30 games while another guy gets eight, and another guy can't get only 20 for the most dangerous on-ice attack, especially deliberate and nearly life-threatening. The NHL didn't care if Bertuzzi missed the postseason when he hurt Moore, but apparently they care if Pronger misses because he's on the defending champion team. After all, if they're gonna let Niedermayer and Selanne come back mid-season, they're not gonna let Pronger miss out. It's completely stupid, the way the NHL handles these "attacks" and some sort of standard needs to be set in place. Ksy92003 (talk) 04:26, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I actually agree with the Bertuzzi suspension. I don't think the injury was intentional on Moore and wasn't actually from the punch it was from the losing balance and falling on him. I think the media made too much hype about it and over blew what actually happened. And no I am not a Bert/Canucks fan. -Djsasso (talk) 18:43, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm neutral on the suspension to Bertuzzi; it wasn't the deliberate punch that hurt Moore and ended his career. It was the slam onto the ice and the fractured neck or whatever Moore got. For Bertuzzi, I think what he did was intentional as far as the punch and the slam. I don't think Bertuzzi intended for Moore to suffer the injuries he did. Also, Bertuzzi was mainly sticking up for his captain, Markus Naslund, and the hit Moore delivered to Naslund in a previous game.

But in the cases of Simon's suspension this year and Pronger, I don't see how you can intentionally stomp on somebody's leg and not be trying to injure somebody. It's like in baseball where, if you're going to intentionally hit somebody, hit them in the hip, not the wrist. Pronger's incident should definitely have been taken much more seriously, especially after what we saw happened to Richard Zednik earlier. Those skates are dangerous objects, and can be used as weapons. If somebody intentionally hurts somebody with a skate, then they can get charged with assault.

Suspensions are dealt out as punishment to a player to send a message that they can't do what they did anymore. I haven't seen Bertuzzi get into any trouble since then, so it seems as if the suspension has done his job. But my main point is that all similar suspensions, in which an intentional injury is involved, should be looked at in a similar way. Pronger's eight games is already the longest of his career, Simon got 30 games for his repeated offenses, and Bertuzzi was suspened indefinitely, but just got very lucky with the lockout. Bertuzzi I think should've missed some more games, but the NHL handled that situation the right way. Simon's suspension seems a right decision by the league because of how many times Simon has gotten in trouble, especially in a one- or two-year span. Pronger's suspension, I think, is the only one that I disagree with because he has gotten in trouble as much as Simon (although the severity is definitely different), but eight is far too lenient. Ksy92003 (talk) 22:07, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Should have been the rest of this season. It's his 8th suspension and he is just not getting the message. Beyond Pronger, I think they need to make rules for the discipline, because having Colin Campbell do it seems to lead to inconsistencies. Something like 'attempt to injure' - first time 10 games, escalate it automatically by 10. Players like Pronger should be tossed from the league in my opinion. It's not elite league behaviour. It is ECHL behaviour Alaney2k (talk) 17:31, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I was expecting 15, because Pronger's incident wasn't as premeditated as Simon's was. -Djsasso (talk) 18:41, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Should have been 15 ~ Lego K^ontribs T^alkM 05:41, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It was a tough desicion but I think at least 10 games. from my perspective it looked liked Pronger didn't have "an intent to injure" attitude. Simon tried to do the foot stomp very subtle and do it as if nothing happened, and the Ruutu actually got hurt. But Kesler was alright. Also, I think Pronger was trying to prove a point on Kesler tying him up, and that's why I'd give Pronger 10 - 12 games in suspension. --Hasek is the best (talk) 01:26, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I would have given 10 games. I can't think of any real argument otherwise Bsharkey (talk) 16:37, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. Pronger has an extensive history of abuse in the NHL. I would have given him 16 games. I hope his Anaheim Ducks are eliminated tonight!--Mister Hockey (talk) 00:29, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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