Wikipedia:WikiProject Highways/Assessment/A-Class Review/U.S. Route 16 in Michigan

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U.S. Route 16 in Michigan

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Suggestion: Promote to A-Class

Nominator's comments: Grand River Avenue dates back to before Michigan's territorial days, and after I replaced one source, I feel this merits review for A-Class.

Nominated by: Imzadi 1979 → 04:43, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

First comment occurred: 04:46, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Review by Dough4872

I will review the article. Dough 48 72 04:46, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments:

"The modern road cuts across the Lower Peninsula in a northwest–southeast fashion from Grand Rapids to Detroit.", didn't US 16 run from Muskegon to Detroit?
- Clarified, that refers to Grand River Ave, not US 16. Imzadi 1979 → 06:32, 30 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You should move the history about Grand River Avenue to earlier in the lead as to be in chronological order.
- Done. Imzadi 1979 → 06:32, 30 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
A reference is needed for "(Later, the I-96 and I-196 designations west of Grand Rapids would be flipped, but at the time leading up to US 16's decommissioning in the state of Michigan, this had not yet been approved.)", I don't think the 1962 map alone can support this.
- Added a pair of redundant citations. Imzadi 1979 → 06:32, 30 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
In the sentence "The freeway turned more directly east in Nunica past the eastern terminus of M-104, and continued east through more mixed forest and grassland terrain to serve the communities of Coopersville and Marne." you use east twice. One of the instances should be removed.
- Done. Imzadi 1979 → 06:32, 30 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"Grand River Avenue carried the highway past the airport and east to Larch Street, where US 16 turned south along US 27 north of downtown Lansing.", you should mention the name of the airport.
- Added, but I don't see that it's useful... Imzadi 1979 → 06:32, 30 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You should mention more details about attractions that were along the route when it was decommissioned.
- The sources don't specify any "attractions", so this can't be added. We'd need to identify period sources for such a thing, which have not been shown to exist. Imzadi 1979 → 06:32, 30 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The sentence "An economic panic in 1837 drove settlers from New York to Michigan, settlers that followed the Grand River Road." sounds awkward.
- Tweaked. Imzadi 1979 → 06:32, 30 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I noticed that US 16 has had bannered routes during its history in Michigan but there is no coverage of them. You should possibly include them in this article or an article about all the bannered routes of US 16.
- There's just the one, and I suppose I could add BUS US 16 from Grand Rapids to this article in the next day or so... Imzadi 1979 → 06:32, 30 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - I forgot the other BUS US 16 and the BYP US 16 when I replied, but all three are now added to the article. Imzadi 1979 → 00:37, 1 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Since Business US 16 in Grand Rapids is gone, what is the former routing now called? Dough 48 72 00:57, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- There is no state highway along the former BUS US 16. Instead it followed what is now a series of city streets from Walker through Grand Rapids into Cascade Township. Imzadi 1979 → 06:32, 30 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Issues resolved. Dough 48 72 01:19, 2 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Review / Image review by Admrboltz

Extended content

While not an FA criterion, alt text should still be present.
~~File:Grand River Avenue.jpg has no {{Information}} - no author, no capture date, etc.~~
~~File:Grand River Avenue-Howell MI-1900.jpg should be tagged with {{FoP-US}} and {{watermark}} in addition to the PD tag.~~
~~File:Olympia arena Detroit.jpg should be tagged with {{FoP-US}} in addition to the license tag.~~
Before going to FAC, a map should be created if at all possible.
~~References and ELs check out except for two dead links~~

I will do a prose check later this weekend. --Admr Boltz 18:33, 14 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Images done and links fixed. Imzadi 1979 → 23:39, 14 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thx. Will review the prose at a latter point. --Admr Boltz 23:44, 14 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Additional comments from me.

MSHD is mentioned twice, but is never explained what the abbreviation is.
Yellow Book - you had previously mentioned to me if you are not going to refer to it again to just leave it with the official name and not mention Yellow Book.
Lansing History has gone dead

Otherwise the article looks good to go to me. --Admr Boltz 22:16, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Imzadi1979: Just these items to address and I can support. --Admr Boltz 18:20, 23 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

First usage of MSHD (not counting the infobox) has it spelled out.
Dropped.
Archive url added to resurrect the link. Imzadi 1979 → 21:45, 23 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support --Admr Boltz 21:58, 23 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- One afterthought. If the highway was in service until 1962, why not use the 1961 US Route shields, or did MSHD not place the new signs on the road before decommissioning it? --Admr Boltz 06:37, 25 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - As far as we can tell, the MSHD never adopted the 1961 specs and retained the 1948s until the 1971/73 update. Imzadi 1979 → 08:21, 25 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Review by Rschen7754

I will do review number 3. --Rs chen 7754 04:53, 28 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Preliminary check

Sources good, though source 24 could be problematic in the future.
RJL good.
A map would be nice, though since this is a former route I won't be as strict about this as I usually am.

Lead

The freeway was then designated only Interstate 96 (I-96) or I-196. - could be a bit more clear - both at the same places?
- Clarified. Imzadi 1979 → 09:25, 30 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Later starting two sentences in the second paragraph
- Done. Imzadi 1979 → 09:25, 30 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

RD

So at the time of decommissioning... it was I-196?
metro - expand
Downtown Detroit - capital D on the first one?
and I-96/US 16 met the northern end of then-built US 23 freeway - of the?
- Fixes applied. Imzadi 1979 → 09:25, 30 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

History

I assume it's okay to say "Indian"....
was included as one of Five Great Military Roads - by who?
modern Grand River Avenue - comma
that distance being a good day's travel by horse. - cannot stand alone
Approximately 124 - ?
When the state capital was moved to Lansing in 1847, an improved road was needed to the capital city. - really sounds like a topic sentence...
The Lansing–Detroit Plank Road was a toll road until the 1880s. It eventually evolved into the eastern part of the modern Grand River Avenue. - combine
Previously motorists - comma after previously
Another business owner cited the work the Old Town Commercial Association has done to market the area using the Grand River Avenue name; marketing that would be useless after a name change. - should be a comma, not a semicolon
The compromise solution reached in August 2010 was to rename lot 56, where Old Town holds festivals to Cesar Chavez Plaza. - should be a comma after the appositive
- Fixes applied. Imzadi 1979 → 09:25, 30 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Should be a support after these issues are fixed. --Rs chen 7754 08:07, 30 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

All should be done. Imzadi 1979 → 09:26, 30 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support issues resolved, but noting the few comments above for a future FAC. --Rs chen 7754 16:03, 30 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Spotcheck by TCN7JM

I will do the spotcheck. T C N7JM 09:23, 30 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I will be checking 15 sources, the citation numbers are accurate as of this revision. T C N7JM 04:56, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Source 2 Good on V and P
Source 3 Good on V and P
Source 12 Good on V and P
Source 13 Good on V and P
Source 14 Good on V and P
Source 15 Good on V and P
Source 16 Good on V and P
Source 17 Good on V and P
Source 23 Good on V and P
Source 26 Good on V and P
Source 27 Good on V and P
Source 33 Good on V and P
Source 50 Good on V and P
Source 51 Good on V and P
Source 52 Good on V and P

Well, well, well. Flawless. I've no choice but to support. Great job. T C N7JM 04:56, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted - Another fine piece for Michigan! - Floydian ^τ _¢ 05:06, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.