Wikipedia:WikiProject Highways/Assessment/A-Class Review/M-1 (Michigan highway)

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M-1 (Michigan highway)

Suggestion: Promote to A-Class

Nominator's comments: Michigan's Main Street, The Father Road, the first urban National Scenic Byway and only All-American Road in Michigan, its history as a roadway originates in the Detroit Fire of 1805, but it dates back to pre-colonization days. Woodward Avenue is the number one road in Michigan in a number of categories.
Please note that I am awaiting a replacement photograph from DanTheMan474 (talk · contribs) for the "Oakland County" section of the RD, ~~and I'm working to secure permission to use an image related to the propose light rail line~~.

Nominated by: Imzadi 1979 → 21:06, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

First comment occurred: 01:25, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Resolved issues from Dough 48 72 03:22, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments - I have some concerns with this article before I can support it for A-class:

In the infobox you have "Adams Avenue in Detroit" but "I-94 at Detroit", can this be made consistent?
The infobox lists the establishment date for M-1, but I think it would help to also mention when Woodward Avenue was built. Perhaps use the history parameter to mention when it was built and when it received the M-1 designation.
Is East Side and West Side of Detroit formal terms that are capitalized?
The sentence "The street runs north-northwesterly away from the river through the heart of downtown Detroit and the Financial District, passing several important and historic sites, including notable buildings and The Spirit of Detroit, a statue used to symbolize the city. " is long and needs to be split.
In the first paragraph of the Detroit and Highland Park section of the Route description, you begin two consecutive sentences with "Further north". Can one of these instances be changed?
You use "passes" a lot in the Route description. Can you vary the wording a bit?
The sentence "North of I-94, Woodward passes through New Center, near Cadillac Place, the former headquarters of General Motors." reads very choppy and should be reworded.
"the two boulevards cross in a large interchange instead of an intersection.", the "instead of an intersection" part seems superfluous and should be removed.
Is there a source to verify Maple Road takes the place of 15 Mile Road?
"The event evokes nostalgia of the 1950s and '60s", I would make the date formatting consistent here, preferably changing the latter to "1960s".
"The last streetcar tracks were removed from Woodward Avenue in 1956." Perhaps more can be said about the streetcars that ran along Woodward Avenue? When were they establsihed? What company ran them? What were they like? How did it play a role in the transportation of Detroit?
I still have a reservation with the naming of the article. At GAN, I mentioned that Woodward Avenue may be a better title for the article as it focuses on Woodward Avenue as a important Detroit street while briefly mentioning that it carries the M-1 designation. From what it appears, Woodward Avenue is probably more well-known as a name than the M-1 designation. While a Google search may have shown more results for M-1 than Woodward Avenue, keep in mind that mirror sites may have pushed up the results for M-1. I think this ACR may be a good time to get opinion from other reviewers on the name and to possibly push for a Requested move should it be desired to change the article name. Dough 48 72 01:25, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Done
Done
Yes, they are.
Done.
Done.
Done.
Done.
Removed.
Added.
Changed, I disagree, but it's not worth a debate.
Added.
I'm quite ambivalent about this, as part of what you propose involves some radical restructuring to the article. Imzadi 1979 → 03:11, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support - My main points have been addressed. However, I still think renaming the article to Woodward Avenue is a good idea, even if it involves a slight restructuring. But I will leave that for others to discuss. Dough 48 72 03:22, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Review by Rschen7754

I plan to review this article. --Rs chen 7754 21:44, 20 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, I always support using the state route name for consistency, so you won't be getting any Woodward Avenue support from me. --Rs chen 7754 02:48, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Miscellaneous

On the map, the red line looks unusually thin. It's a bit hard to see.
~~Infobox: platted?~~
Major intersections looks good.
Tools check out okay.
References look reliable, formatting not checked. --Rs chen 7754 03:20, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Future

Comma added.
~~Nonbreaking spaces are missing in a few key places.~~ --Rs chen 7754 02:32, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

Shouldn't the Detroit Fire be linked? --Rs chen 7754 05:04, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- It doesn't have its own article. There's discussion of the fire and the street plan at History of Detroit#Woodward plan, but it doesn't have a link to an article. Imzadi 1979 → 16:55, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Route description

Woodward Avenue is also the divider between the East and West sides of the city of Detroit. - also considered to be? Or is there an official dividing line?
Might want to expand upon "notable buildings" - I realize you did that so you could link it, but it makes for a vague sentence.
IMHO, I-75 should be linked again.
"transition to mostly residential in nature" seems awkward.
It crosses into Highland Park, a enclave within Detroit. - can be combined with another sentence.
Traffic that wants to turn left onto M-1 has to do... so?

Cultural

The road was designated a Michigan Heritage Route by MDOT in 1999. - stray period, use comma?
What is an All-American Road? Also running dangerously close to repetition with the first par of the RD.
Comma added.
An estimated one million spectators attended the 2009 event. - haven't read the source, but might want to mention that that was unusually low (going off the title). --Rs chen 7754 06:12, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- The article title was referring to low attendance in 2010, but it quoted the 2009 figure I used. Otherwise, I've made adjustments based on the other comments. I'll re-read things tomorrow to see if something comes up to avoid being too redundant between the RD mini-lead and the start of the CS section. Imzadi 1979 → 16:23, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

History

First section copyedited. --Rs chen 7754 04:49, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
What is "Division 2"?
- That's just what they called it in the statute, "Division 2". Imzadi 1979 → 17:58, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"The same year, the Dixie Highway was extended through Detroit to the Straits of Mackinac." - not seeing the relevance.
"Detroit took control of the Detroit Unified Railway on May 15, 1922, when it became the city's Department of Street Railways." - bit confusing. (Maybe explain what "it" is?)
What were the disputes over?
"in late 1939 or early 1940" - using "between" sounds more confident, in my opinion.
Who was John W. Chandler?
Old Woodward? Or Old Woodward Avenue?
The M-1 designation was applied the portion ... to the portion? Also no comma.
"with business routes" seems awkward.
Which terminus?
Review done - should be a support once these issues are resolved. --Rs chen 7754 05:35, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Should all be addressed now. Imzadi 1979 → 17:58, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support issues resolved. --Rs chen 7754 21:03, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
OTRS images check out. --Rs chen 7754 09:13, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Mmph, I'm never a fan of inconsistent naming, but I won't oppose it in this case. --Rs chen 7754 08:37, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is awkward. I don't have any issues with the article itself; I will gladly support it. I do, however, agree with Dough that it would be best titled Woodward Avenue. –Fredddie ™ 23:34, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Query would the reviewers please look over a recent change? I added a bit of information to the history section, and in the process pulled all of the streetcar stuff together with the added material on the failed subway into a third subsection. So that the last street car running had some context, I added some information on the decline of the system. There's probably room to condense things a bit, but I think the reviewers should give this a quick look in any event. Imzadi 1979 → 09:24, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I like the idea of mentioning the public transit in a separate section. Looks good to me. Dough 48 72 15:26, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comma needed after "afterwards". Also, the last paragraph is a bit choppy. Otherwise, seems fine. --Rs chen 7754 17:34, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I did a little copy editing... I wrote that paragraph a little too close to my bed time, perhaps... Imzadi 1979 → 18:13, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have to agree with Dough and Fredddie in that the title should be Woodward Avenue. Every section is about Woodward Avenue as a whole except for the Major intersections. In fact, the only mention of M-1 in the Cultural significance could be easily replaced with Woodward Avenue.--TC N7 JM 07:36, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
As the ~~third~~ fourth reviewer, it looks like everything major has been checked already. Michael's got this ACR thing down to a science, in any case, so I wouldn't expect anything to be out of line. Before I can support, though, I have to ask—is "the MDOT" (first para of RD) correct usage? I understand it may be different in Michigan, but in Oklahoma, we always refer to ODOT without the definite article. —Scott5114↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 03:06, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm thinking that the "the MDOT" is from when the sentence might have said "the Michigan Department of Transportation (MDOT)" and the "the" didn't get removed when it was edited down to just the abbreviation. Either way, I removed it. Imzadi 1979 → 03:55, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - In that case, support. Good luck at FAC! —Scott5114 ↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 06:13, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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