Wikipedia:WikiProject Children's literature/Article Discussion

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National Center for Children's Illustrated Literature

National Center for Children's Illustrated Literature Worth including in the Project or not? National Center for Children's Illustrated Literature is currently a two-line stub with a list of artists exhibited and a single reference pointing to their own website. If it stays, it needs work. Views anyone?--Plad2 (talk) 20:38, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

I think this falls under the scholarship provision, but I don't know. The Eric Carle Museum of Picture Book Art is a better developed article that seems a close parallel here. If we decide to tag one we should probably tag the other. Barkeep49 (talk) 13:27, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

I see that we already have the UK's Seven Stories,Roald Dahl Museum and Story Centre and The Story Museum tagged as being in the Project. Presumably there are other similar museums and galleries around the world devoted to aspects of children's literature, some of which may have Wikipedia articles. None of the ones we've identified so far are particularly good articles but perhaps it is worth keeping all of them (and flagging them as being in need of improvement).Worth trying to pull together into a list or category, perhaps?--Plad2 (talk) 23:00, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Caldecott Medal Merger

I have just proposed merging Caldecott Medal and Caldecott Honor into one article. This would then have the same structure as Newbery Medal. If you want to contribute to the discussion please join in. Barkeep49 (talk) 20:14, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Proposed merger of The 22 Letters with Clive King

The 22 Letters was proposed for deletion via PROD then went to AfD. Result was a decision to keep the article and the suggestion to merge it with the author article (as part of a general expansion and improvement of the article) was noted. Unless anyone feels very strongly otherwise, that is what I propose to do. Discussion here.--Plad2 (talk) 09:06, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Advice on María Inés Falconi and discussion with article creator about foreign language sources

María Inés Falconiis a stub just picked up for this project by the bot. It was created by User:Gaudio in April 2006, who has revsited once in Jan 2007. It has two external links in Spanish and I turned one into an in-line reference but that was as far as I could go. I have not been able to find any English language references. I left a message on Gaudio's Talk page hoping that this might encourage him/her to revisit the page and improve it. From the discussion, you can see that this suggestion has not found favour. So my question is - what do I do now? a) leave it b) PROD it on the basis of lack of sources and failure to meet WP:NONENG c) something else which I can't think of. I can't see that there is any point in continuing the discussion with Gaudio and I have other (to my mind) more important things to do. Suggestions and advice, please.--Plad2 (talk) 18:57, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

I would say leave it. It's unsatisfying to leave an article so clearly incomplete, but there isn't really anything you can do. It looks notable enough to be included, so don't PROD it. Eventually, someone with the ability and the interest to make this a good article will come along. strdst_grl (call me Stardust) 20:54, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

I think BLP's are being held to a higher standard so the lack of english references is a bigger deal than it would be otherwise. Barkeep49 (talk) 19:45, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Madonna

I don't think that Madonna (entertainer) is really within the scope of this WikiProject. I may be wrong. I apoligise in advance if I am. Rock drum (talk·contribs·guestbook) 15:55, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

She wrote half a dozen children's picture books Madonna Books listed on Amazon, so I'm afraid she does qualify.--Plad2 (talk) 19:03, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

I must have thought that a dozen times by now, but apparently she wrote a series entitled The English Roses. strdst_grl (call me Stardust) 10:10, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. It's just that, at a glance, it doesn't mention that. Cheers anyway. Rock drum (talk·contribs·guestbook) 13:09, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Joe Paterno

Joe Paterno (famous American football coach of the Penn State university team) has been picked up by one of the bots tagging the "children's writers" category. Joe and his wife "are the co-authors of the children's book "We Are Penn State!", a book that takes place during a typical Penn State homecoming weekend". Subject is clearly notable for his distinguished sports and philanthopic career. Not (I would argue) notable for his career as a children's writer. So the question is whether to remove the Children's Literature Project tag or keep it? I've assessed as a B class and Low importance just to get it off our unassessed list. --Plad2 (talk) 21:43, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

I think this gets at an important feature. Where as Madonna and Jamie Lee Curtis, to name two example, are notable purely on their children's literature writing, this does not appear to be the case with Paterno and so I would favor removing the banner/tag. Barkeep49 (talk) 14:33, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Well, I'd say if the article is in the children's writers category it deserves to be covered by this project as well. I don't know enough to judge either way, but it seems to me that the two go together. strdst_grl (call me Stardust) 17:12, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

So perhaps Paterno shouldn't have that category tag then? His children's writing doesn't appear to be notable. Barkeep49 (talk) 21:25, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Jamie Suzzane

Any objections if I PROD the Jamie Suzzane article? I'm pretty confident that this is a pseudonym (incorrectly spelled) and there are no biographical sources that I can find.--Plad2 (talk) 19:59, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Having done a bit more research, I find that "Jamie Suzanne" is the pseudonym of author Kimberly Morris. It seems to me that if this article is to exist at all (doubtful) it should be about Morris, not the pseudonym. The current article title is misspelled with two "z"s. References I've found to far to support an article on Morris are these: Internet Movie Database;The Bay Area Writers League Conference, list of speakers;Mid-continent Public Library list of books. Personally, I think we could PROD the article. Alternatively, we could move it to either a correctly spelled "Jamie Suzanne" page or "Kimberly Morris" (which would need a rewrite). Any views? PS: it also begs the question as to whether an article about a pseudonymous author can be classified correctly as a BLP or not.--Plad2 (talk) 14:01, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

I've moved it to the correct spelling and prodded it. Actually, it wasn't even the pen name of a single author. It was used by multiple ghost writers for the Sweet Valley High series, one of whom was Kimberly Morris. Another one was Nina Kiriki Hoffman. The biography is spurious. I also took off the unreferenced BLP tag and removed the living people category. Voceditenore (talk) 09:11, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Periodic Table (Simon Basher book)

Your project's input is solicited. Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:49, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Count Olaf's theatre troupe

This is a nicely developed article, but I question it's WP:Notability. Seems like it should be a part of a larger Series of Unfortunate Events article. Thoughts? Barkeep49 (talk) 21:02, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Todd Hallibutt

Todd Hallibutt. A writer of short stories apparently, but I can find neither him nor his books on Amazon or WorldCat. Suggests non-notability to me and a probable case for PRODding. Anyone got any views?--Plad2 (talk) 22:56, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

I agree that this seems like a good candidate for deletion whether through PROD or AfD. Barkeep49 (talk) 02:48, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

I have now PRODded this article. f you would like to support, please do so.--Plad2 (talk) 08:41, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Gordy Jones

This author appears to have written just the one book. The publisher, Semper Books, has only the one book on Amazon. It's the same on WorldCat.org This looks like a one book, self-published author and, on that basis probably does not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Unless anyone disagrees, I think this article is a probable PROD. --Plad2 (talk) 10:36, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Controversial Children's Books in Literature

Controversial Children's Books in Literature is an new article which has been PRODded as soon as it was created due to its poor quality (Listcruft, lack of references). It's pretty much doomed in its current state unless anyone here wants to make a case for rescuing it. I thought it was an interesting idea, poorly executed.--Plad2 (talk) 06:16, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Deborah Abela

I would be grateful if someone could support keeping Deborah Abela which has been relisted. I genuinely have no personal interest in this article (even though some of the books are published by Random House Australia). It just seems to me to be ridiculous that a well established reputable award nominee Australian author should be regarded as not notable when two-book wonders from larger countries seem to pass PROD without much difficulty. I'm clearly going to have to pause what I'm doing to beef up the article (which is ok) but I think a supporting "keep" from someone other than me would help.--Plad2 (talk) 06:38, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

The Aussies have dealt with this and the AfD has been closed as a "keep".--Plad2 (talk) 12:53, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

The Young Adventurers by Enid Blyton

New article created yesterday (23 May) and PRODded pretty much instantly. In the absence of the ArticleAlert bot, I thought I should mention here in case anyone feels moved to save it.--Plad2 (talk) 20:11, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Brian Paterson Foxwood Tales illustrator AfD

New article created 27 May and sent to AfD pretty much instantly. Erroneously, in my opinion, and I have said so at the AfD discussion. WorldCat Identities listing gives 119 works in 239 publications in 16 languages and 4,644 library holdings, so subject seems to me to meet WP:GNG. The article needs expansion and references. I've posted here in case anyone would like to take an interest.--Plad2 (talk) 05:27, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Blue Balliett

The current article for children's author Blue Balliett is woefully out of date. It looks like the last update was 2006. Much has changed in the past five years. All three of her Hyde Park-based mysteries--Chasing Vermeer (2004), The Wright 3 (2006), and The Calder Game (2008)--are widely used nationally in the classroom and by home schoolers. Her new book, The Danger Box, with new characters and set in Three Oaks, Michigan, came out last fall to glowing reviews. It was presented to President Obama on January 20th, 2011 by the American Booksellers Association for inclusion in the White House Library. Thankfully, Balliett has her own website now at blueballiettbooks.com. The site provides ample documentation for awards, reviews, and background information. All of her books are available internationally; Balliett is published in 35 languages to date.

Please let me know if you need any help updating the Balliett article.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Easepod (talk • contribs) 16:37, 20 March 2011

Help with an AfD?

Hi! I hope this doesn't come across as a violation of WP:CANVASS, but I need some help in an AfD for a children's book, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Boy Who Grew Flowers (2nd nomination). There's been some contention about some of the sources in the article The Boy Who Grew Flowers. The sources used are the School Library Journal, Booklist, Publishers Weekly, and a UK newspaper. I'm not asking you to vote "yes", but I would like some confirmation that these are review sites that show notability. (If I'm wrong then I'm totally OK with being wrong, I just don't see where the other editor has done a lot of edits to book related articles and I'd like a confirmation of yes or no on the sources from a group that's more familiar with children's literature and review sites. Again, I'm not asking anyone to vote and I'm not trying to encourage a mass of people to agree with me. I would just like some confirmation that these are independent and reliable sites that show notability for this book.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 03:19, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Problems with Roar of Thunder, Hear My Cry

I've recently read this book, and using Wikipedia to read some information on it was not a good experience. The article does not adequately summarize the book, has an uncountable number of opinionated statements, and just does not meet the excellent quality standard Wikipedia usually achieves. I'd be willing to rewrite large portions in a more readable style, but I first want to check with this group for recommendations or suggestions. This will be my first big Wikipedia edit, so I'd like some help on redoing the page, or even if a should. Dilbertfan, 30th May 2013

Beatrix Potter to Harry Potter

Just to mention that this 2002 exhibition at the NPG now has been turned into a list at no:wp (no:Beatrix Potter to Harry Potter), where it is currently being reviewed for FL-status. I have 3 suggestions for this WikiProject concerning that exhibit/book/list:

• In en:wp the Pullein-Thompson sisters has a joint biography. IMHO this should be separated into three induvidual biographies, as in no:wp
• Someone might want to start the article Beatrix Potter to Harry Potter in en:wp
• Someone might want to consider whether this list, based on a qualified source, should replace such unsourced lists as List of British children's and young adults' authors (1900–49)

Bw Orland (talk) 11:59, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

The Fox and the Hound

I came across The Fox and the Hound article while populating the Novels about animals category, and it seems to me that this is not a YA novel. Nothing in the article itself supports the classification. The Dutton Animal Book Award which led to its publication is specifically for adult books, as is the Athenaeum Literary Award. Juvenile books with this title have been produced since the Disney film – whether they follow the novel or the film, I don't know. But that does not change the nature of the original book. I removed the YA mentions in the infobox and categories, but I wanted to ask about the WikiProject CL banner. Is the article actually "of interest" or should the banner be removed? Robina Fox (talk) 01:42, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Stanley Yelnats Jr.

I want to edit Holes (novel) to include Stanley Yelnats Jr. in the character list, but I can't remember if he appeared in the book, or just in the movie. Was he in the book? I can't find my copy at home, so I'm not sure. --Puzzledvegetable^{Is it teatime already?} 15:26, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Roald Dahl

Hi all,

I was wondering if I could get some editors to weigh in on a question I asked on Dahl's talk page Talk:Roald Dahl. Basically, I feel the antisemitism section is misplaced, but I definitely am no wikipedia expert and would like some advice on how to proceed. Here's the full question-

• I am wondering why the “reputed antisemitism” section is placed in the Post War Life section of the article. Would it not make more sense to have a “controversy” section OR to have the antisemitism part in the “Legacy” section, since most of the discussion of his Anti-Semitic comments has occurred after his death? I don’t want to debate about whether or not he was anti-Semitic, just asking about formatting. Feel free to link me to whichever wikipedia policy is being followed for this if I am simply unaware of the rule here.

Could some more senior editors please advise? Here or on the talk page? Apathyash (talk) 16:11, 7 October 2020 (UTC)