Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Peer review/Skip Holtz

Skip Holtz

I created this article and wrote it to WP:GA. I need a new set of eyes to help this article achieve WP:FA status. It hopefully will be my first:) PG Pirate 22:27, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And I have run the semi-auto peer review. so that is not needed, Thanks, PG Pirate 22:30, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yannismarou

I think the prose needs some work. The fact that we have to do with two Holtz in the article, that the prose is not flawless sometimes results in the confusing of the reader. I think this is clear in both the second paragraph of the lead, and "Early life".
- After mentioning Skip Holtz and Lou Holtz, I should be able to say Skip and Lou, instead of their full name, correct?
"Skip accepted the offer immediately, and began work. Some time afterward, Skip met his future wife, Jennifer, in Coach Bowden's office.[9] After two years at Florida State, Holtz then took a job as wide receivers coach at Colorado State University under legendary coach Earle Bruce.[4] A year later, Skip joined his father, still the head coach at Notre Dame.[4]" A bit choppy.
- I agree, ill try to fix it. Not my strong suite.
"Head coach Lou Holtz's first choice, Joe Moore, declined. Lou than asked Skip for recommendations to fill the position. Skip... Coach Bowden said Holtz could hire Richt as long as he could hire Skip. Coach Holtz said, "Well, if I'm just going to switch coaches, I might as well hire Skip."[7] Skip became Notre Dame's offensive coordinator in 1992." Again choppy. With this choppiness, going down to the next sections as well, the reader does not get the impression that reads an attractive story.
- I will fix.
"In 1996, Skip's mother, Beth, was diagnosed with throat cancer. Two years later, the cancer spread to her liver, lung, adrenal glands, and ovary. Meanwhile, Skip and Lou". Is this necessary for Skip's bio? Sometimes it is also a matter of how we incorporate such personal infos in a bio. After all you have a "personal life" section, when it should maybe more appropriate to incorporate such info.
- Maybe it does not need to go that in depth, but I believe his moms cancer should stay in. That is one reason he left UConn, to be closer to his family.
"As a moderately successful college coach". According to whom?
- Me:)
  - I am not sure that "you" are enough!--Yannismarou (talk) 13:28, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Rewritten
The 2004-2008 period looks to me quite successful for him. But the relevant section of the article seems to be a bit under-developed.
- Should I have a year-by-year breakdown?
  - If there is material rich enough to support such a structure.--Yannismarou (talk) 13:28, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"External links" go after "References".--Yannismarou (talk) 13:08, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Done

Even though I'm a college football fan, my main concern is that there isn't enough about his life outside of football. I'm afraid that when you bring it up for FAC, that's going to be the main point of contention. I'm also not a big fan of tables that don't have accompanying prose. If there's anything that can be written about his experience coaching in a bowl game or about his overall coaching record, I'd love to see that in the accompanying section. Barring that, I'd suggest trying to somehow incorporate those tables into the main body of the article, somehow. I've never seen a FA with standalone tables, but that could just be because I haven't been looking for them. Judging from the Jack Kemp FAC and its trials and tribulations, you're going to be in for a long haul getting it through FAC no matter how much prep work you do. Just keep at it, keep making changes, and eventually you'll get this to FA status. Best of luck. JKBrooks85 (talk) 08:33, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]