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[edit]what was the defect in my submission i am from there and who other will be the good source of information about it other then local Godarasopara (talk) 12:39, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
- Your draft doesn't cite any reliable sources. Our readers have no way of verifying what "local people" might say, or even that local people exist. Thus Wikipedia requires published sources. "Newspapers" might indeed be acceptable sources, but you'll have to be much more explicit than just writing that word. What newspapers? Which issue? Who authored the articles? On what page of the newspaper was the article published? We'll need at least some of that information so we can look up those newspaper articles in a library. If the articles are available online and you can provide links, so much the better. Also, the draft would have to be heavily copyedited for spelling and grammar. Huon (talk) 04:34, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
Review of User:Jayfrankauthor/sandbox
[edit]Jayfrankauthor (talk) 13:02, 3 September 2013 (UTC) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jayfrankauthor/sandbox it took 20 of us to work on this article all weekend. Our team did a fantastic job on it with over 105 references. We made sure that the references that we used were independent and already used on your site. I went on the Chat room in front of my class and asked for help and no one responded except to say hi. I was accused of being a PR person and called stupid. I am a student at coastal Carolina University in Myrtle Beach South Carolina. Part of our class project is to write a paper on vacation travel that you do not have. Our team found a site called rent my vacation home and they have 115 sites searchable by a large network of vacation homes. We went to the competition and check their references and found the same references. I look forward to this been published on your site. It is not fair to our team to approve references made by other writers who are the same references that we have example Forbes, Tech crunch, crunch base, red orbit ect. Thank You for your time and consideration we look forward to your professional response and we pray that it is fair and consistent with the other sites that you have. If we cannot use these references and you want all of these taken away how are we going to write a story and get published on your site. We followed all the guidelines and it was very difficult to find anything that meet the criteria that you don't already have. Furthermore it makes no sense to any of us as to why you want to keep this company out.Do you have a agreement with HomeAway the company that they do not want this? We find it very hard to believe that it has anything to do with the references as we were accused of working there at rent my vacation home .It is not fair to the travel industry and makes your site a little less then what it should be. I will be asking the teacher and the dean to take this out of the class grade and description of class .Jayfrank — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jayfrankauthor (talk • contribs) 12:40, 3 September 2013 (UTC) Jayfrankauthor (talk) 12:59, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
- I don't know what chat room you went to, but #wikipedia-en-help is the recommended chat room to use. The teahouse is also a good place to find help and assistance. If you went to another chat channel and can confirm that it was one of those officially affiliated with Wikipedia, I would personally very interested to know which editors personally attacked you, as would other participants in WikiProject Editor Retention.
- As for the article, the problem you have with your references is that none of them are really independent. Many just mention properties that Rent My Vacation Home happens to be letting, while this digital journal source appears to be a press release. The trouble with press releases and lists on Crunchbase is that they will generally list anything going without making any decision about whether it's particularly worthy of note. We need news reports from independent outlets that have no bias and report on the company in a partisan manner.
- You are correct that TechCrunch is generally a good source to use. However, your one reference here doesn't appear to be about this company, so it's no good. Have a look at Craigslist and look at the type of sources used in the "References" section. You can see there are numerous sources from outlets like the San Francisco Chronicle and The New York Times. It's well known that both of those have a reputation for solid reporting of facts in a partisan manner. Click on a couple of news reports, and you'll notice they're directly about some facet of the company and discuss it in depth.
- Although you might think it's unfair, it's consistently unfair across the board to everyone. For instance, I have been recently working on a band article that might be suitable for Wikipedia, but I can't be sure it's notable enough to be acceptable. That's just the way life goes.
- Finally I would note that your teacher did not specifically ask you to write an article on Wikipedia, and don't understand how that is relevant. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:59, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
Hello AfC Reviewers,
This question is about AfC: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Zetta_Inc
The article was denied for inclusion due to "Quality of sources." However, the sources list includes 10 very reputable publications. Can I have more guidance on improving quality of sources? The current sources seem to meet the guidelines for "reliable, published sources" on Wikipedia:IRS.
Additionally, several companies that are very similar to Zetta have their own pages included in the encyclopedia with only self-published references. I know that this is not a reason for inclusion, but the reference list I have created includes TechCrunch, CNN, and New York Times among others, so I am confused about why this article has been denied on basis of references.
Please provide specific comments to help me get this page included in the encyclopedia.
Thank You!
DataJunkie82 Datajunkie82 (talk) 17:32, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
- The Zetta website itself obviously is not an independent source. Crunchbase is user-submitted content and is not considered reliable by Wikipedia's standards. Several other sources, including the New York Times, only cover Zetta as one among many - the NYT, in particular, devotes but a single sentence exclusively to Zetta. Others, for example the Hurricane Sandy coverage, only mention Zetta in passing without providing any details - for example, it doesn't mention "a lightweight software agent" (also, that paragraph reads unduly promotional). Huon (talk) 04:34, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
hi I submitted this article but I am not sure if it submitted with content or empty? please let me know if the submission has content. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frank Messner (talk • contribs) 17:36, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
- The submitted draft was indeed empty. Huon (talk) 04:34, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
- Frank Messner, according to your "My changes" tab, you never saved any content to that page other than the review request. Did you perhaps type an article but not hit the "Save" button, or only hit "Preview" but not save subsequently? MatthewVanitas (talk) 20:00, 4 September 2013 (UTC)