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February 9

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Julia Penelope

I am confused... I am wanting to submit for review my article on Julia Penelope. The top of the page says it has not been submitted and is in draft form... but I took the steps to submit it for review. If I scroll down, there are two windows telling me that it will be reviewed in a week or so. Confused.

Carolyn Gage Dartmouthstreet (talk) 02:09, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Carlyn,

This is a result of the AFC review procedure's set up and it can indeed be confusing. However, as long as there is a yellow "Pending for Review" template on the page it is in the review queue waiting for a review (Irregardless of what the other templates state). Excirial^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 23:51, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

On an unrelated note, I believe the draft needs additional sources to clearly establish Penelope's notability. The source that's used most often is Penelope's own campaign website, a primary source. The second-most used source is her obituary, and while the part written by Tracy Baim may indeed be a secondary source, the parts we cite are "the official Penelope obituary provided by her designated executor, Sarah Valentine" and something "submitted by Chicago lesbian author and academic Sarah Lucia Hoagland, Penelope's co-editor on For Lesbians Only" - those once again sound like primary sources to me, written by close associates. Two of the other sources are also obituaries, as if the only deed Penelope did that's worth writing about was dying. That's a little thin. Google Scholar shows a lot of hits, with quite a few independent sources (ie not written or co-authored by Penelope herself) discussing Penelope's views. It might be worth the effort to look up some of those papers and to use them to flesh out the coverage of Penelope's scholarly work and to show that other researchers took note of her work. Huon (talk) 00:18, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki page declined because of notability in references for page Taiwan Green pka Mr. Fingaz

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The above is the link to the wiki page I created which was declined due to notability. How do I correct this? Is the issue of notability in the "references" I provided or incorrect citation of references? Is it necessary to have both text citations and references section to have my page approved?

Sincerely,

KSaung — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ksaung (talk • contribs) 16:50, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

At the moment, your references indicate that they were all authored by Taiwan Green, the subject of the proposed article. Therefore, none of them are independent references as required by WP:42. Therefore, the article cannot be accepted.

As a further note, IMDB is not considered a reliable source. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 17:50, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

How do I prove the references are not authored by Taiwan Green? I do not understand how the references indicate they were all authored by Taiwan Green? For example www.allmusic.com has their own employees not associated with Taiwan Green. There are also other wikipedia articles featuring Musicians and artists that also were approved using www.allmusic.com as a reference.These references are sites not associated with Mr. Taiwan Green. The ASCAP site can not be authored by Taiwan Green but only by the company ASCAP. Is the ASCAP website not considered a credible source? Please guide me on how I can improve the references to validate the legitimacy of Taiwan Green pka Mr. Fingaz.

Thank you, Sincerely KSaung — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ksaung (talk • contribs) 20:35, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The allmusic reference is giving the author's last name as Green, and first name as Taiwan. This indicates that the material concerned was authored by a person called Taiwan Green. If you fix this, it will be much easier for reviewers to work out which reference was authored by whom.

Compare how the references are formatted for another borderline-notable entity in the music industry, Da Gryptions#References. Maybe make your references more like that? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:49, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Ok now I understand. I will correct the mistakes I made in the references and thanks for the example. I will work on it asap and resubmit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ksaung (talk • contribs) 21:04, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]