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[edit]Hi everyone! I'm new to wikipedia and would love to contribute lots of great ideas! So I was just wondering why my "In popular culture/other media" page for Selina Kyle was declined if a number of comic book characters have it? Just out of curiosity as I am very curious. Karankyle (talk) 13:22, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
- Most of the information already seems to be contained in the Catwoman article, which would make this one a content fork we do not neet. Furthermore, most of the content is unsourced, which is itself another reason not to create this article. Huon (talk) 15:08, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
Dear Moderator, I would be grateful for advice here. I submitted an entry on Howard Chase, but am told "submission's references do not adequately evidence the subject's notability". Presumably the problem is the references, as Prof Chase is senior professor at Cambrige, head of the Shcool of Technology, etc (see entry). The references I provided were: Head of School of Technology: http://www.ceb.cam.ac.uk/news.php/75/howard-chase-head-of-the-school-of-technology Professor of Biochemical Engineering: ‘CHASE, Prof. Howard Allaker’, Who's Who 2012, A & C Black, 2012; online edn, Oxford University Press, Dec 2011 ; online edn, Nov 2011 University of Cambridge: http://www.ceb.cam.ac.uk/people.php?action=view&id=1 Head of the Department of Chemical Engineering: http://www.ceb.cam.ac.uk/data/files/CEBFocus/cebfocus3.pdf Fellow of the Royal Academy of Engineering: http://www.raeng.org.uk/about/fellowship/fellowslist.htm?Search=Yes&Alpha=All&Page=13&Size=20 Award of the Donald Medal: http://www.icheme.org/about_us/medals/donald.aspx Director of Research and Development of Enval: http://www.enval.com Research group's work on pyrolysis: http://www.ceb.cam.ac.uk/groups.php?id=2&name=biochemical-and-environmental-engineering Could you advise me which of these references you find inappropriate, and what other points you need to have referenced. Best wishes, Chris Carr Hemmingsxyz (talk) 14:48, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
- With the exception of Who's Who (which is hidden behind a paywall) those references all seem to be primary sources: The websites of organizations Chase is affiliated with, or the organization awarding him a medal, or his own research group. To establish his notability we need secondary sources, such as newspaper articles about him, or academic papers written by others (independent of Chase) that discuss his work. While primary sources may be used for additional (uncontroversial) details, Wikipedia content must be based on secondary sources. The question shouldn't be "what of our content do we need sources for?", but "what do secondary sources say about Chase?" Huon (talk) 15:08, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
I'm quizzical as to why the submission for Greenville Light Opera Works has been twice denied for "lack of credible sources." I've added even more news articles, interviews and television appearances to the references. GLOW is an established non-profit arts organization in the Upstate of SC. I've noticed that Greenville Light Opera Works now has even more references (of the same exact kind) than any of the other local theaters in our area with Wiki listings. Is this process just arbitrary or is there something I'm missing somewhere? Thanks much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Christianelser (talk • contribs) 21:29, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
- There are several issues with those sources. First of all, two links seem to be broken; I have no idea what those sources say. The Metropolitan Arts Council reporting on its own member is a primary source, and we should use secondary sources. The interviews aren't quite independent of GLOW, either. All sources are local; there's not a single national or at least statewide source. With some, such as We are the upstate, I'm not even sure they're reliable - that seems to be a glorified blog, not a news organization. Routine news coverage does not bestow notability, and while arguably one or two of the sources cover GLOW in a little more detail, those are still local sources; that's a little weak.
- Also, the draft's content is not supported by those sources. Not a single one of them confirms that GLOW is a "professional 501(c)(3) non-profit performing arts organization". I don't think any of them mentions GLOW Goes to the Opry! or the GLOW School of Music & Drama.
- You have collected all the footnotes (the stuff in <ref></ref> tags) at the top of the references section. Those footnotes are supposed to be placed in the article, right after the statement each source is meant to support. If you try to do so, you'll find that most sources don't deal with GLOW in enough detail to be worth citing, and those that do provide some details provide other details than those in the article.
- Finally, if, as your user name suggests, you are Christian Elser, the founder of GLOW, you might want to have a look at our policy on conflicts of interest. You may find it difficult to be truly neutral in writing about your own opera company. Huon (talk) 00:27, 26 August 2012 (UTC)