Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 December 18
Redundant template: all links are available at the parent article Only Murders in the Building. Provides no further ease of navigation. -- Alex_21 TALK 23:14, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:06, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- Leaning towards keep for this one. Meets the WP:NENAN threshold of five articles and enables navigation between, say, season 1 and season 4, which is not possible otherwise. --woodensuperman 09:20, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: The template helps users to navigate throughout the various articles related to the series, and while not many articles exist as of yet, it is still useful to have.—Mjks28 (talk) 12:39, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- What does this template provide in terms of further navigation that the parent article does not? -- Alex_21 TALK 20:24, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- It's always quite likely that the parent article will include all the links in a navbox, so this is not a reason to delete. Take a navbox for a band as an example. The parent article will likely include all band members and a full discography, matching the links in the navbox. However, it's when we get to the other non-parent articles that a nabox becomes a handy navigational tool. As I mention above this navbox facilitates moving between non-consecutive seasons that would not be possible directly otherwise, or from any of the seasons to the accolades article. Admittedly as this only just meets the threshold of WP:NENAN the benefit is limited, but there are far less useful navboxes out there, and at least all the links are on topic. --woodensuperman 09:52, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- So, long answer short, it doesn't actually provide anything further in terms of navigation, for four seasons and one awards article. -- Alex_21 TALK 10:16, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yes it does, it means you can navigate between non-consecutive seasons, and from season articles to the accolades article. --woodensuperman 10:30, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- All of which can be completed by the parent article. I asked what the template provides that the article does not. -- Alex_21 TALK 10:41, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- That's not a pre-requisite for a navbox. Take any comparable parent article and navbox and you will most likely find the same links on each. What navigation does {{Vikings (2013 TV series)}} provide that Vikings (TV series) does not? What navigation does {{Robert Altman}} provide that Robert Altman does not? What navigation does {{Taylor Sheridan}} provide that Taylor Sheridan does not? What navigation does {{The CW programming}} provide that List of programs broadcast by The CW does not? The point isn't about navigating from the parent article, it's about navigating quickly between the other linked articles without needing to refer to the parent article. --woodensuperman 10:53, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- The latter three are significant navigation templates. However, I absolutely agree with the Vikings template, it's as unnecessary as this one, I'll put that on my "to look into" list. (And before I get a NENAN to that suggestion - it's an essay, a
good, but not set-in-stone rule
, and remember: "not everything needs a navbox".) -- Alex_21 TALK 11:58, 16 December 2024 (UTC)- Most navboxes which meet the WP:NENAN threshold usually get kept, sometimes navboxes with even fewer articles are kept. I've certainly nominated film director navboxes with only 3-4 entries in the past that have ended up being kept. I don't think there would be any traction trying to delete the Vikings one or any with more than 6-7 entries. --woodensuperman 12:05, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- In fact, I'd go so far as to say that it is the larger navboxes that are more problematic. {{Vikings (2013 TV series)}} is a clear and concise navbox with succint and relevant links, meeting all of the points at WP:NAVBOX. {{The CW programming}} is too large to provide a useful navigational function, a lot of the links are not particularly relevant to each other, and we are far better served by the list for context and the category for a directory of the programming. --woodensuperman 11:00, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- The latter three are significant navigation templates. However, I absolutely agree with the Vikings template, it's as unnecessary as this one, I'll put that on my "to look into" list. (And before I get a NENAN to that suggestion - it's an essay, a
- That's not a pre-requisite for a navbox. Take any comparable parent article and navbox and you will most likely find the same links on each. What navigation does {{Vikings (2013 TV series)}} provide that Vikings (TV series) does not? What navigation does {{Robert Altman}} provide that Robert Altman does not? What navigation does {{Taylor Sheridan}} provide that Taylor Sheridan does not? What navigation does {{The CW programming}} provide that List of programs broadcast by The CW does not? The point isn't about navigating from the parent article, it's about navigating quickly between the other linked articles without needing to refer to the parent article. --woodensuperman 10:53, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- All of which can be completed by the parent article. I asked what the template provides that the article does not. -- Alex_21 TALK 10:41, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yes it does, it means you can navigate between non-consecutive seasons, and from season articles to the accolades article. --woodensuperman 10:30, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- So, long answer short, it doesn't actually provide anything further in terms of navigation, for four seasons and one awards article. -- Alex_21 TALK 10:16, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- It's always quite likely that the parent article will include all the links in a navbox, so this is not a reason to delete. Take a navbox for a band as an example. The parent article will likely include all band members and a full discography, matching the links in the navbox. However, it's when we get to the other non-parent articles that a nabox becomes a handy navigational tool. As I mention above this navbox facilitates moving between non-consecutive seasons that would not be possible directly otherwise, or from any of the seasons to the accolades article. Admittedly as this only just meets the threshold of WP:NENAN the benefit is limited, but there are far less useful navboxes out there, and at least all the links are on topic. --woodensuperman 09:52, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- What does this template provide in terms of further navigation that the parent article does not? -- Alex_21 TALK 20:24, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 02:36, 18 December 2024 (UTC)