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Template:Adamantium

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 05:20, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Adamantium (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Non-notable band without its own article. One member who went on to play in more notable bands and a split album with questionable notability itself are the only directly-related articles. --StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 23:32, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Paraplain

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 05:21, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Paraplain (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

As advised here, before its function incorporated by {{para}}. Sardanaphalus (talk) 17:08, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:QuoteSidebar

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:12, 31 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:QuoteSidebar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant to other quote templates, with one of which the mere 11 transclusions should be replaced, in order to simplify the options available and reduce the maintenance workload. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:46, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Imagequote

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:58, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Imagequote (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant; labelled as "less efficient than {{imagequote2}}." (which itself is nominated for deletion). Has only 24 transclusions. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:42, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Replace with {{imagequote2}} and delete, then move that template to this template's name. Disposition of that second template is independent of this one; this one is clearly redundant with and obsoleted by the other, so should be eliminated, even if the other is eventually deleted.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  20:47, 22 October 2014 (UTC) Update: I'll defer to what ais523 and Martijn Hoekstra are working on; significant progress has been made in the last week resolving the display problems with block quotation and floated images.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  11:56, 5 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Replace with {{imagequote2}}, or (more likely) with {{quote}} once we've fixed the relevant bugs in it (there's a current TfD about that). --ais523 05:23, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Replace with {{quote}}, but not before the changes to that template go through that fixes the margin bug in that template (which should be directly after that TfD closes, whatever its outcome). Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 10:13, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Google books quote

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 01:36, 2 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Google books quote (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant to {{Cite book}}, with which the mere 109 transclusions should be replaced. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:22, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Dab quotes

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The result of the discussion was deleted, G7. 28bytes (talk) 13:42, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Dab quotes (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:18, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Gbq

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The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:03, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Gbq (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Little-used (14 transclusions; none in article-space) wrapper of {{Bq}}, as nominated below. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:38, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: This is part of the glossary templates Andy's nominated en masse here. Of course it has few transclusions, as it was only created a couple of days ago and hasn't been deployed yet in most places where it would be used (which will be a slow process of finding and reviewing all of the template-structured glossary list articles, which right now are not well-categorized (another fix-it in progress). Even if {{bq}} were deleted (see below), this one, {{gbq}}, would need to simply be modified to call another block quotation template with CSS to align it properly inside description (a.k.a. definition or association) lists (those created with underlying <dl><dt>...</dt><dd>...</dd></dl> markup). Ultimately all of the glossary-related formatting should be handled at MediaWiki:Common.css, but there's no hurry.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  18:40, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Request procedural closure: All the rest of the glossary-related templates were kept, rather speedily (it was an Oct. 22 TfD but has already been closed for some time, due to a WP:SNOWBALL). This part of that template series should be closed with the same result; there's no rationale for it to be treated as not part of that group TfD.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  12:00, 5 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
There is no procedural reason to close. This is a separate nomination, on a separate basis, and stands, independent of the result of that other nomination. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:19, 5 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Bq

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2014 November 29. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 19:10, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Block quote

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:01, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Block quote (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Claims to be "an alias of {{Quote}}" but is actually an unnecessary wrapper for it. I suggest we SUBST: all instances, then delete it. See example substitution. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:12, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What nonsense, .131 How would replacing:

Lorem ipsum

with

Lorem ipsum

ruin any article? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:33, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • I think the anon means the thousands of TfD notices appearing all over articles, a concern also raised by JG66. With templates like this, it's generally best to noinclude the TfD notice, and if it's a really widely used one, "advertise" the TfD some other way, e.g. at Village pump.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  20:55, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete There is no reason to not use parameters for special cases. As per usual, if difficulty in replacing templates were an overriding concerning, most (no) templates would ever be replaced. Int21h (talk) 08:56, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I saw it on the Trotsky article and followed a link here. Having read about {{Quote}}, I do not see what the issue is with getting rid of it. Just a ditto to what Andy Mabbett says. If no bot is available to perform the task, I am happy to be a member of any team that goes through replacing the {{Block quote}}s manually before they are terminated. --YeOldeGentleman (talk) 10:02, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and Revert Template Now Adding ugly spam to thousands of pages is unnecessary. Revert back to the no-message template ASAP; then continue review, and if consensus is reached that it's worth deleting, develop appropriate bot and change without notification. 80.229.231.194 (talk) 13:56, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to {{Quote}}; it just needs parameters to output similar display as an option.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  18:55, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete to reduce complexity. Identical templates that forward to another template are quite useless. I also completely and strongly reject and condemn any argument along the lines of "keep, because right now there is a TfD notice transcluded into article space". Keeping this template would do exactly nothing to fix that. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 09:22, 23 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reach consensus speedily and Move bot-worthy discussions out of user space per Kurt. You are currently defacing 3001 articles. Vandalism on this scale should be discouraged. Doug (talk) 19:52, 23 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per the "redundant to a better-designed template" argument. Since no valid argument ("it's too hard" and "X articles use it" are beyond weak) has been advanced to keep this, there may be snow in the forecast, allowing the work to begin now. Tarc (talk) 20:07, 23 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • My reading of this straw poll is that the Delete has it. In addition, the majority of those voting in favour of Retain appear to be voting this way solely on the incorrect assumption that it would lead to speedy resolution, for example Kurt. Propose Speedy closure to limit impact on userspace. Propose Eliminate TfD templates in userspace in order to avoid ignorant drive-by voting such as mine. Doug (talk) 20:27, 23 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • Note: Dhatfield is !voting twice (see one major bullet-point above the one these are responses to). Also: Templates for discussion is not straw-polling but consensus-building discussion. The snowball principle and the criteria for speedy deletion are not equivalent, and a snowball isn't indicated here anyway (there are "merge" & "retain" !votes non-trivial rationales). TfDs can run for quite some time, not infrequently reversing their initial trends. Though I doubt that's likely in this case, merging some features of the one template into the other, however, remains a reasonable option, and might even happen before the TfD closes. Transclusion of TfD notices in articles is not a speedy delete (or keep) criterion, either; where it's seen as undesirable, the fix is to <noinclude>...</noinclude> the TfD notice after it has been sufficiently "advertised", as I've done in this case. More than a day of transclusion of frequently-used templates tends to produce nothing but angry comments (and replies to them) responding to the transclusion more that to the TfD-valid issues being raised about the template in question. This mires TfD in noise.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  01:53, 27 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete As mentioned by several people, there is simply no reason for this to exist. It achieves nothing other than annoying redundancy. RoflCopter404 (talk) 08:56, 24 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Whatever you decide, please do it soon. Over 3000 articles are currently affected by the TFD notification, making the pages look defaced. I just came here from a messed-up article. 67.1.100.49 (talk) 23:27, 25 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Get a move on, people. WP is currently littered with these crappy notices, and it makes the whole effort look poor. Get it sorted. Better yet, find a better way of flagging templates in future, so articles don't get trashed. johantheghost (talk) 00:09, 26 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete a bot replacement should be easy, I just looked at a few. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 21:07, 26 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Subst and redirect I can't see a good reason to have a wrapper for {{quote}} whose arguments are numbered, idiosyncratically, 1, 4, and 5. The name is possibly worth keeping as a plausible redirect, though. Incidentally, voting "keep" on the basis that the TfD nomination should have been less disruptive to pages is a little strange, as both would have the same effect on the pages affected (i.e. the notice would disappear at the same time either way). --ais523 05:28, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Quote2col

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 01:16, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Quote2col (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant to other quote templates, with one of which the mere 12 article-space transclusions should be replaced. Uses table markup, with poor accessibility, for layout instead of proper quotation markup. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:55, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Multilingual quote

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:07, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Multilingual quote (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant to other quote templates, with one of which the mere 33 transclusions should be replaced. Uses table markup, with poor accessibility, for layout instead of proper quotation markup. (Many of the non-English quotations are unnecessary and may be removed.) Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:42, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete after replacing with {{Quote}} and proper language markup. Nom's objection to specific content on specific articles has nothing to do with TfD.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  19:01, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment But I know how to use this one! If, as you seem to be saying, {{Quote}} can do the same thing, then please include how to do so in that template's documentation before you delete the one that I know how to use. Otherwise, for all intents and purposes, {{Quote}} can't do what {{Multilingual quote}} does. (Also, I think I've only used it in order to quote primary documents in both the original language and translation. That seems the honest thing to do with such sources and not unnecessary at all) Furius (talk) 23:40, 2 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
      • Example: @Furius: The simplest solution is {{quote|''{{lang|es|Quotación no en inglés.''}} }} {{quote|'Quotation not in English.'}}  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  12:27, 5 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
        • Thanks, that's really helpful :). They're still somewhat different however:

[Quotación no en inglés.] Error: {{Lang}}: text has italic markup (help)

'Quotation not in English.'

— Author
{{multilingual quote |Quotation not in English. |Author |Quotación no en inglés |language=es}}
I quite like the side-by-side effect of multilingual quote and the way it displays the languages above the quotations - can that also be replicated? (Sorry for bothering you further) Furius (talk) 14:51, 5 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
{{columns|width=auto
| col1 = {{quote|{{lang-en|Quotation not in English.}}|Author}}
| col2 = {{quote|{{lang-es|Quotación no en inglés}}}}
}}

is an approximation. Frietjes (talk) 15:03, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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