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March 20

The length of the vest in white tie

What length the vest in a white tie ensemble should be? I know that the vest in the right side is too long and the one in the left is okay, but what if only a part of the vest pops out? (like in the picture in the middle.)

שטרודל מאן (talk) 15:28, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Gentleman's Gazette has a White Tie Guide that might be helpful. Their "White Tie DOs and DON'Ts" video discusses waistcoat length @7:37 (WP won't allow link). The 3rd option in your illustration seems to be the proper choice; however, in the video, sometimes while showing proper attire a tiny bit of white shows.--136.56.52.157 (talk) 19:04, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

E.g.: Prince ,~~Andrew~~ = "Do" -- President G. W. Bush = "Don't" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.56.52.157 (talk) 19:40, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Did you mean Prince Philip? --Lambiam 23:03, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oops. 136.56.52.157 (talk) 23:40, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I saw they article about white tie, and you can see that the vest of the guy there (Raphael) looks most of the time like the one in the middle.

I wonder if this is a proper white tie or not. שטרודל מאן (talk) 15:24, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

According to this chart from 1936, Coat cut well back of waist. No white waistcoat shown below fronts. --136.56.52.157 (talk) 05:04, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

=Thank you. שטרודל מאן (talk) 18:13, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Curitosity about the U.S. Electoral College

Members of the American Electoral College, are they loyal to the Party or the candidate they are supposed to vote for? Thank you. 93.41.97.150 (talk) 18:59, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

With very rare exception, there is no distinction between party and candidate, especially for election of the U.S. President. There are only two viable candiates, the Democrat candidate and the Republican candidate. While there is no exclusion of other parties, the United States functions as a two-party system. Everything else is considered "independent" or "other" and ends up being classified as "allied to Democrats" or "allied to Republicans" when discussing politics. But, to properly answer your question, the state appoints electors who have pledged to vote for a specific candidate pair (President and Vice President), not for a specific party. 97.82.165.112 (talk) 19:46, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

To be precise, the US Constitution does not have a notion of parties and electoral faithfulness. The decision how each state appoints its electors is left to the state legislature.^[1] In practice, the electors are nominated by the parties and elected by popular vote – a vote cast for candidate X is formally a vote for the slate of electors nominated by the party of candidate X. There are differences between the states; see Faithless elector. --Lambiam 23:01, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]