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[edit]Continuous function
[edit]Is there a non-uniformly continuous bounded real valued function defined on all real numbers? Money is tight (talk) 02:06, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
- Sin(x^2) is an example of such a function. Sławomir Biały (talk) 02:27, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks! I have another question. If f is a continuously twice differentiable function on the real line with compact support, is it the fourier transform of some L^1 function? Money is tight (talk) 06:41, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
- Yes. You can estimate the inverse Fourier transform of f by , which is L^1. Sławomir Biały (talk) 11:10, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
- I don't fully understand what you mean. By C do you mean a constant? How and in what sense is the estimation (uniform pointwise L^1 L^2 norm etc.)? Is the inverse transform in L^1? Money is tight (talk) 01:25, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
- Yes. You can estimate the inverse Fourier transform of f by , which is L^1. Sławomir Biały (talk) 11:10, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
(Simple?) projectile motion
[edit]This is an apparently simple problem which seems to involve algebra of frustrating complexity. A particle is projected from the top of a cliff of height h metres with a velocity of V m/s into the sea. What is its maximum horizontal range? The equations of motion are
where θ is the angle of projection and the variable in question. There are two obvious approaches: Find the larger root T of y(t) = 0 and maximise x(T) in terms of θ; or rewrite y as a function of x and maximise the larger root X of y(x) = 0 in terms of θ. Both are very algebra-heavy and I keep getting lost. A craftier approach might be to maximise the roots of y(x) = 0 with product and sum examination rather than actual computation, where
but that hasn't yielded me much joy. Any advice is appreciated; is there something simpler I'm missing? —Anonymous DissidentTalk 12:47, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
- The problem is basically an exercise in seeing things through to the end. Solve y=0 for t, keeping the positive root only, and substitute back into x. You then get x as a function of theta, which can be maximized by methods of one variable calculus. Details are in the article Range of a projectile. Sławomir Biały (talk) 12:59, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
- I think the problem can be simplified a bit by noticing that the point of maximum distance would be on the envelope of the parabolas which are the various trajectories. To get the envelope, set (dx/dt)(dy/dθ)=(dx/dθ)(dy/dt) to get an additional equation, I get v=g t sin θ. This can be plugged in to y=0 to get a linear equation for sin θ, and both of these can be plugged into the equation for x to get the maximum distance. Or you can just find the equation of the envelope, which is another parabola, and solve for y=0.--RDBury (talk) 13:54, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
- Slight correction, I should have said "linear equation for sin2 θ". Also, since the envelope is a parabola, it has a focus which, interestingly imo, is the location of the cannon.
- I think the problem can be simplified a bit by noticing that the point of maximum distance would be on the envelope of the parabolas which are the various trajectories. To get the envelope, set (dx/dt)(dy/dθ)=(dx/dθ)(dy/dt) to get an additional equation, I get v=g t sin θ. This can be plugged in to y=0 to get a linear equation for sin θ, and both of these can be plugged into the equation for x to get the maximum distance. Or you can just find the equation of the envelope, which is another parabola, and solve for y=0.--RDBury (talk) 13:54, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
That's pretty clever. Starting from Anonymous Dissident's equation
if we make a change of variables , this gives the family of parabolas indexed by τ:
A point (x,y) is on the envelope if and only if it is on a pair of infinitely near parabolas in the family. So, for such a point,
(the nontrivial zero). Plugging into the equation for y(x) gives
Solving for y=0 gives
So the envelope hits the ground at
(This doesn't seem to agree with the answer Range of a projectile gives. I think there must be an error in the article somewhere.) Sławomir Biały (talk) 19:05, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
- An algebraic approach, which may be what was requested, is this. A characteristic length is defined by . Introducing the dimensionless variable , and the dimensionless height , by substituting and and into Anonymous Dissident's equation, gives
- Dividing by , and multiplying by gives the simpler equation
- This is further simplified by the trigonometric identities for the double angle
- Another equation is obtained by differentiation,
- When is maximum the differential is zero even if is not. So
- Define and Then the system of equations is completely algebraic
- It remains to eliminate and to get an algebraic equation in alone. Bo Jacoby (talk) 02:20, 19 September 2011 (UTC).
- In order to avoid making sign errors while manipulating polynomials I temporarily use the name to signify . So and . The minus sign is then not used.
- The three polynomials
- all evaluate to zero for the wanted values of the variables and the known values of the constants . By construction the following polynomials also evaluate to zero.
- Here has been eliminated. Substitute .
- Now eliminate from the equations .
- Now eliminate from the equations .
- The above calculation is unfinished. I have deleted some errors. Bo Jacoby (talk) 05:12, 23 September 2011 (UTC) .