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[edit]Help understanding an algorithm
[edit]I have to use an algorithm to solve a congruence and am struggling to understand what is going. Could someone please take a look and help me fill in the gaps?
Suppose that p − 1, where p is prime, is a power of 2 and let g be a primitive root mod p, i.e. a generator for the multiplicative group of non-zero residues mod p. To solve the congruence we substitute where with rj ∈ {0,1}. Raising each side of the original congruence to suitable powers it is possible to solve for the binary digits r0,r1,r2,... in turn. The first step is then listed as being used to determine r_0, whereby r_0 is equal to one if or zero if .
My problem is that I don't see the motivation behind this algorithm. I don't understand how raising each side to appropriate powers gives you any information and I don't see where this expression for r_0 has come from, to name my most clearly defined issues. Thanks. 92.19.231.140 (talk) 14:29, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
- As mentioned above, there are only a few primes known that are one more than a power of 2 so the algorithm would have very limited applicability. But in such a case the multiplicative group would be cyclic of order 2n. We want to find r so gr=a, raise both sides to the power of 2n-1. The lhs becomes g2n-1r0=(-1)r0, and the rhs is ±1. Now raise both sides to the power of 2n-2 to get g2n-1r1+2n-2r0=a2n-2. If g2n-2r0=a2n-2 then take r1=0 else r1=1. At each step if you know last k digits then raise both sides to 2n-k-1; there are then two choices for the next digit and you can find which one is correct by evaluating. Once you have r, a solution to x2=a is gr/2, with no solution if r is odd.--RDBury (talk) 15:56, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
- That's very instructive, thank you. One question though; after raising both sides to the power 2n-1, should the rhs not be g2n-2r1+2n-1r0? 92.19.231.140 (talk) 17:05, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
- Also, just to sum up the algorithm I want to work with, I start with gr=a. I then raise to the power 2n-1, giving g2n-1r0=(-1)r0 = (-1)r0, giving r0 is one if we have minus one and zero if we have one. Then, at each subsequent stage, we raise the previous stage to the power 2n-k-1 and test whether or not g2n-k-1rk-1=a2n-k-1, taking rk as zero if they are equal and one otherwise. Have I understood the procedure correctly? 92.19.231.140 (talk) 19:21, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
- First question: The rhs would a2n-1 which is ±1 since if you square it you get 1. Second question, that sound like what I have in mind. It might help to try an example, say p=17 and g=5, a=11.--RDBury (talk) 14:01, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
- Also, just to sum up the algorithm I want to work with, I start with gr=a. I then raise to the power 2n-1, giving g2n-1r0=(-1)r0 = (-1)r0, giving r0 is one if we have minus one and zero if we have one. Then, at each subsequent stage, we raise the previous stage to the power 2n-k-1 and test whether or not g2n-k-1rk-1=a2n-k-1, taking rk as zero if they are equal and one otherwise. Have I understood the procedure correctly? 92.19.231.140 (talk) 19:21, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
- That's very instructive, thank you. One question though; after raising both sides to the power 2n-1, should the rhs not be g2n-2r1+2n-1r0? 92.19.231.140 (talk) 17:05, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
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