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[edit]Plural posessive of Attorney General?
[edit](And other words words of that types) "Briefs from 15 Attorneys General" becomes "15 Attorneys General's Briefs"? (or 15 Attorneys' General Briefs? or something else???)Naraht (talk) 13:17, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Has to be "attorneys
'general's briefs". The other version refers to the general briefs of a bunch of generic attorneys, and I don't see any other alternatives. Clarityfiend (talk) 13:58, 1 June 2022 (UTC)- Clarityfiend -- I came up with the same answer, based solely on my internal personal "Sprachgefuehl", but I'm not sure how I would analyze it. When writing it down, I don't think I'd add an apostrophe at the end of "Attorneys" (so "Attorneys general's"). In that respect, it's analogous to "women's", a possessive plural which does not have an apostrophe at the end... AnonMoos (talk) 14:38, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Why the second apostrophe? General is just an postpositive adjective, and adjectives don't have a possessive form (we wouldn't say *District's attorneys' briefs). Technically, it should be "attorneys' general briefs" (although I would never recommend actually using that). No such user (talk) 14:32, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- No_such_user -- The possessive suffix "floats" in English, so we have the "King of Sweden's hat" or "The girl I saw yesterday's hat" etc. AnonMoos (talk) 14:38, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Acknowledged; but then - why the first apostrophe? I can understand "attorneys general's" but not "attorneys' general's".
For what it's worth, https://www.ag.gov.au/ spells the office as "Attorney-General's Department", in singular. That would logically extend to "attorneys-general's briefs" (with or without hyphen). No such user (talk) 14:52, 1 June 2022 (UTC)- I don't think I'd add an apostrophe there (see my reply to Clarityfiend above). AnonMoos (talk) 15:00, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- My's bad. Clarityfiend (talk) 16:44, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- I don't think I'd add an apostrophe there (see my reply to Clarityfiend above). AnonMoos (talk) 15:00, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Acknowledged; but then - why the first apostrophe? I can understand "attorneys general's" but not "attorneys' general's".
- No_such_user -- The possessive suffix "floats" in English, so we have the "King of Sweden's hat" or "The girl I saw yesterday's hat" etc. AnonMoos (talk) 14:38, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Why the second apostrophe? General is just an postpositive adjective, and adjectives don't have a possessive form (we wouldn't say *District's attorneys' briefs). Technically, it should be "attorneys' general briefs" (although I would never recommend actually using that). No such user (talk) 14:32, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- This link says probably attorneys general's in American English and attorney-generals' in British English. Rmhermen (talk) 18:10, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- That link says "The British prefer attorney-generals (the Brits have long hyphenated the phrase)." and so, in the light of [1] saying otherwise, ought to be considered unreliable. Bazza (talk) 19:22, 3 June 2022 (UTC)