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March 20

Llywelyn and Dafydd ap Gruffydd

Per Llywelyn ap Gruffudd, he's nicknamed Llywelyn the Last (Welsh: Llywelyn Ein Llyw Olaf, lit. 'Llywelyn, Our Last Leader') , but Dafydd ap Gruffydd was seemingly the last native Prince of Wales, who also defended independence. Is it because Llywelyn had a longer reign so that he, rather than Dafydd, got the nickname of Last, or was there some other reason? 212.180.235.46 (talk) 08:58, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps because Llywelyn reigned for 36 years and spent much of them fighting against England with some success, while Dafydd spent much of his earlier life fighting against his brother Llywelyn in alliance with England, reigned for only 1 year, and his rapid defeat by England resulted in the end of his dynasty and the cessation of struggle for Welsh independence for over a century. Not a legacy to commemorate. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.241.39.117 (talk) 10:36, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Boeing whistleblower

[1] Who is the lady in the picture? Is she being photographed with an old flip phone? Does that mean the picture itself is probably quite old? Thanks. 2601:644:8501:AAF0:CFF0:11E3:F455:1D8C (talk) 10:17, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's a picture of the actress Tilda Swinton in the film Michael Clayton, which was about a corporate whistleblower. That's the only reason the person posting that tweet added the photo. Nothing to do with the Boeing case. --Viennese Waltz 10:34, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I never would have figured that out. After reading the movie plot recap, I understand the innuendo now. 2601:644:8501:AAF0:CFF0:11E3:F455:1D8C (talk) 18:55, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Turkey

On isidewith.com's surveys, it shows that in Turkey, regarding the issue of net neutrality, far-left, right-wing, and centre-right tend to support it, while far-right, left-wing, and centre-left tend to oppose it. This is even harder to comprehend than when the far-left and far-right hold opposing views of centre-left to centre-right on something. What causes this phenomenon?

Question: Should internet service providers be allowed to speed up access to popular websites (that pay higher rates) at the expense of slowing down access to less popular websites (that pay lower rates)?
Party	Political position	Links	Choice	Votes	%
Nationalist Movement Party	Far-right	[2]	Yes	6,081	68%
Nationalist Movement Party	Far-right	[2]	No	2,904	32%
Peoples' Democratic Party	Centre-left to left-wing	[3]	Yes	2,520	63%
Peoples' Democratic Party	Centre-left to left-wing	[3]	No	1,463	37%
Republican People's Party	Centre-left	[4]	Yes	6,358	56%
Republican People's Party	Centre-left	[4]	No	5,009	44%
All	N/A	[5]	Yes	22,590	44%
All	N/A	[5]	No	28,184	56%
Felicity Party	Right-wing	[6]	Yes	1,089	39%
Felicity Party	Right-wing	[6]	No	1,686	61%
Justice and Development Party	Right-wing	[7]	Yes	5,321	38%
Justice and Development Party	Right-wing	[7]	No	8,680	62%
Good Party	Centre-right to right-wing	[8]	Yes	2,549	33%
Good Party	Centre-right to right-wing	[8]	No	5,289	67%
Liberal Democratic Party	Centre	[9]	Yes	1,018	31%
Liberal Democratic Party	Centre	[9]	No	2,250	69%
Communist Party of Turkey	Far-left	[10]	Yes	1,513	24%
Communist Party of Turkey	Far-left	[10]	No	4,773	76%

--Vupes (talk) 14:23, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think you've got things reversed. The question as posed would seem to be the opposite of Net neutrality. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:00, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

According to the reported poll results, the fans of the far-right Nationalist Movement Party favour abolishing net neutrality, so the OP correctly identifies far-right as opposing net neutrality. --Lambiam 11:02, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The problem being that the long-winded question is actually asking "Do you oppose net neutrality?" Hence a Yes means they oppose it and a No means they support it. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 16:50, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure how much glib labels such as "left" and "right" really explain in Turkey. Traditionally (up through at least the 1980s) the "right" was hard-core Turkish nationalist (sometimes irredentist), and strongly supportive of the military, and of Ataturk's secular legacy, and sometimes contemptuous of democracy, while the strongest faction on the left were Communists supported by Kurds. Now both those ideological orientations have been weakened to almost political insignificance, and Erdogan's quasi-dictatorship, supported by his Islamic Justice and Development Party dominates the scene. Many of the remaining factions are probably concerned more with the realities of the current situation in Turkey than with European political abstractions such as "social democracy" or whatever. AnonMoos (talk) 20:58, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These polls do not reflect the positions of the parties, but of visitors of the website iSideWith.com who choose to do the website's 2024 Political Quiz for Turkey and report to identify most with these parties. There is a potential selection bias in many respects; there is no guarantee the outcome is representative of the people who vote for these parties. There is an axis socially conservative — socially progressive and there is an axis economically conservative — economically progressive. These do not align in Turkey, making it hard to position political identifications on a one-dimensional scale. --Lambiam 10:33, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The poll also asks respondents to report identification with (overlapping) ideologies. This paints a somewhat different picture:

    Ideology               Yes  No 
    -------------------------------
    Right                  64%  36%
    Islamic Democracy      48%  52%
    Social Conservatism    48%  52%
    National Conservatism  47%  53%
    Social Democracy       46%  54%
    Pro-Europeanism        46%  54%
    Right-Wing Populism    43%  48%
    Left                   42%  58%
    Authoritarian          40%  60%

In view of this, the reported 63% support by fans of the Peoples' Democratic Party is somewhat surprising; those who'd use the Internet will mostly not self-identify as "right": they tend to be relatively young, well-educated and socially progressive. What unites them is more their opposition to the prevailing authoritarianism than any coherent ideology. Socially more liberal, they are otherwise all over the place, also dependent on whether they are or are not self-employed. --Lambiam 11:24, 21 March 2024‎ (UTC)[reply]