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April 23

17 Ming princes

Both questions regards the Manchu conquest of China

1. The Kingdom of Tungning was founded by the Zheng family under Koxinga. Did they intend to restore the Ming or start a new dynasty? Koxinga supported the Yongli Emperor until he was captured and killed in 1662. Was there an attempt to place a figure head Ming emperor from the remaining imperial princes by the Zheng regime until Zheng Jing “abandoned any pretense of restoring the Ming dynasty by the time he invaded Fujian in 1676” as it states in his article?

2. During the end of the Kingdom of Tungning, 17 Ming dynasty princes were sent back to the mainland from Taiwan. Zhu Shugui and Zhu Honghuan are the only princes whose name I could find. What were the names of the other princes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.209.14.47 (talk) 09:37, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So I am not an expert on the subject, but I think Koxinga's goals in the time period started out as helping the vestiges of the Ming, supporting refugees from the mainland, and generally being a bastion of Ming culture. That said, eventually with the Ming overthrow, Koxinga became much more independent and less connected with restoring the Ming dynasty, an impossible task as a governor of a small island, and focused more on piracy and developing a kingdom and dynasty on Taiwan still connected with Ming culture but less connected with the Ming empire. Zoozaz1 03:44, 24 April 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zoozaz1 (talk • contribs)

Luxette - cooking

I have a recipe for "Eggs and Luxette". It is a savoury, to be served at the end of a meal.

2 or 3 hard-boiled eggs
1 1/2 oz butter
1 tablespoonful luxette
seasoning

Divide the hard-boiled eggs in half, remove the yolks and mix smoothly with butter and luxette, rub through a sieve, then pipe into the egg, stand each cup on a slice of cooked beetroot or tomato, garnish with cress and serve.

What is luxette? Thank you, DuncanHill (talk) 21:01, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you scroll down to the comments section here DuncanHill is says that it is a fish paste. MarnetteD|Talk 21:05, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Here is some more info including a pic of the jar label. Now I'm hungry :-P. MarnetteD|Talk 21:07, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. DuncanHill (talk) 21:13, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That label sent me to the dictionary to look up triturate. Thanks for the new word! --76.71.6.31 (talk) 21:17, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You are both welcome :-) MarnetteD|Talk 21:30, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there 76. This has some fun words. My particular favorite is Vellichor. MarnetteD|Talk 21:35, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I saw "defenestrate" used on a game show the other day: they said someone defenestrated a piano and asked what it meant. I don't know which one; I'm watching a lot of them these days. It might've been the new celebrity version of Who Wants to be a Millionaire, or if not, then it was another one. --76.71.6.31 (talk) 02:44, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Defenestrate" used (say, 50 years ago) to be widely understood in the UK, because many secondary school history courses would mention The Defenestration of Prague (specifically, the 1618 one). I'm not sure if that's still the case, though. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.122.178.214 (talk) 06:16, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A Millennial colleague, with a masters degree no less, recently asked what Napoleon was, she had no idea that it was even the name of a person. So probably the Defenestration of Prague does not impinge much on modern consciousness. I suspect that it was only included in British histories to reinforce the idea that the Reformation was a Good Thing, which is not an obsession of the 21st century. Alansplodge (talk) 10:07, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Don't confuse schooling with education. I've never presumed a person's level of knowledge based on any certifications they may have. --Jayron 32 12:30, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm 50. We learnt about all the Defenestrations of Prague in O Level History. That of Jan Masaryk was the one relevant to the course but our teacher, quite rightly, thought it would make it all a bit more interesting and memorable to mention the others. I've since been to Prague, and I can't say its windows lend themselves more to defenestration than those of other European capitals I've visited. Must be something in the water. DuncanHill (talk) 13:32, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

When I was 10, I went to Stirling Castle and learned about the defenestration of William Douglas, 8th Earl of Douglas (I hadn't recalled his name but I can still picture the window). Modern history teaching seems to focus on historical domestic arrangements rather than badly behaved kings or bloody battles which is actually the interesting bit. Nobody cares how Saxons cooked porridge. Alansplodge (talk) 21:57, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You were told about such things. Again, never presume anyone learned what they were told in school. I imagine lots of your classmates would deny ever learning such matters. --Jayron 32 13:55, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I recall someone once saying that in primary school you have the "three R's", while in college you have the "six R's": Remedial Reading, Remedial 'Riting, and Remedial 'Rithmetic. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 19:57, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've often wondered about that term, according to my latin (years ago now), it should be "exfenestrate", (out of window) instead of defenestrate (the removal of the window). Is the destruction of the window more important than the people thrown out? Or was their latin not so good? Rmvandijk (talk) 13:18, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Just as a suggestion, but there are several versions of hard boiled eggs with anchovy paste, eg. http://www.yocucina.it/uova-ripiene-pasta-acciughe-ricetta . You can take butter instead of olive oil. 2003:F5:6F04:6400:6CD0:9822:C161:100F (talk) 20:06, 25 April 2020 (UTC) Marco PB[reply]

The king of anchovy paste is Gentleman's Relish, which when combined with scrambled eggs makes Scotch woodcock. Alansplodge (talk) 12:06, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]