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September 22

Lloyd George and the Welsh Shepherd of Dartmoor

In Davies, Alfred T. (1948). "Our First Meeting". The Lloyd George I Knew. London: Henry E. Walter. p. 21. we read "Some of my readers may perhaps be old enough to recall the incident of the old Welsh shepherd at Dartmoor, and the part played by Ll.G. in that connection". I am far too young to recall the incident, so I'm asking here. DuncanHill (talk) 11:41, 22 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ahah! I've found him, one David Davies. DuncanHill (talk) 12:59, 22 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The message there seems to be that the pattern of the crimes must be considered, rather than just considering each crime in isolation. Three strikes laws are an attempt at this, but can take away the ability to use common sense in applying the law. SinisterLefty (talk) 17:23, 22 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved

SinisterLefty (talk) 17:23, 22 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think the message is that prison doesn't reform and doesn't deter. That, and that priests ought to practise the forgiveness they preach. Anyway, it's a good fun story. DuncanHill (talk) 00:34, 23 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Whether the laws were just or unjust, you'd think he would have learned much earlier that the cost/benefit ratio for stealing petty cash from church donation boxes was not in his favor... AnonMoos (talk) 01:45, 23 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe he took it as a personal challenge to get away with it at least once. :-) I tend to see him as just somebody incapable of living on his own. He tried to join his sister, who presumably would have kept him out of trouble, and his incarceration as a shepherd would have worked, too. In a modern context, maybe he needed to live a group home of some type. SinisterLefty (talk) 04:13, 23 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

We have an article called recidivism (in this case to be read in conjunction with Americentrism). Alansplodge (talk) 17:17, 23 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Don't the British have an equivalent to the group home (a house for a small group of adults incapable of living on their own, for a variety of reasons) ? If so, let's update that article accordingly. SinisterLefty (talk) 18:25, 23 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think that's what we would call sheltered housing. AndrewWTaylor (talk) 19:10, 23 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. although in terms of ex-offenders, "supported housing" seems to be the favoured term. [1] [2] Alansplodge (talk) 19:14, 23 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That's called a halfway house in the US. Seems to overlap with group home, though. Looks like an opportunity to do some clean-up and add the BrE terms. Any takers ? SinisterLefty (talk) 19:19, 23 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]