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December 20

The Wachowskis: brothers or sisters?

The Matrix is listed in the 100 best films by female directors, however at the time the film was released, the directors were credited as the Wachowski Brothers. Should the film still be in the list? Gil_mo (talk) 22:40, 20 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Check out The Wachowskis and I think you'll have your answer. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 03:05, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Baseball Bugs, Gil mo's use of the words "at the time" leads me to believe that they are aware of the Wachowskis' transitions. However The Matrix was released in 1999, before either had started that process. They were still technically male at that time. 07:23, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

If the OP wants to know for sure, he should try to contact the authors of that website and ask about it. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 16:25, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This also gets into the disconnect between society in general's understanding of sex and gender and how many trans individuals understand their own experiences. Many trans women will say that they have always been women, even before beginning transition. --Khajidha (talk) 19:30, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

PS - just for clarity: the "they" in my response refers back to "many trans women" in general, not the Wachowskis in particular. --Khajidha (talk) 19:37, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to know how to list a person's gender at a certain point in the past, you would have to ask that person about their specific experience of gender. There are no rules to incorrect/correct about these things other than the individual, lived, self-expressed identity of a person. Temerarius (talk) 20:19, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The only reasonable answer is that only the Wachowskis know the answer to the question the OP asked. Ask them, not us. --Jayron 32 03:25, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]