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January 12

Camille Pleyel

Frédéric Chopin dedicated his Nocturnes op. 9 to Madame Camille Pleyel. I'm a bit confused since Camille is a both male and female name. As Joseph Etienne Camille Pleyel is a man, I think the dedicatee is his wife Marie-Felicite-Denise. Am I right? Generally, is it common to refer to a wife as "Madame + first name and surname of the husband" in French?--2.246.23.207 (talk) 15:43, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Our article Mrs. notes that married women were commonly referred to as Mrs [husband's given name] [husband's surname] back in more formal times. Mrs Patrick Campbell is an example of this. Our article French name says "Formally, a married or widowed woman can be called by the given name of her husband (madame (given name of husband) family name or madame veuve (given name of husband) family name); this is now slightly out of fashion", suggesting that this is also true of France. Sadly neither of these statements is referenced, although it fits with my own OR recollection - my late grandmother, for instance, widowed in 1970 at the age of 52, maintained for the rest of her life that the only correct way to address a formal letter to her was still "Mrs [husband's initials] [married surname]" even after his death, and that using her own initials/forename in this context was poor etiquette. Our article Married and maiden names contains the intriguing referenced statement "Since the 1789 Revolution, the law stipulates that "no one may use another name than that given on his birth certificate"", although "marriage grants a married person the right to assume his or her spouse's last name". A Google search confirms that the nocturnes are indeed accepted as dedicated to Marie Pleyel, whose husband Camille was a close friend of Chopin. - Karenjc (talk) 14:31, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Cameramen on the field/pitch/court/etc

This gif shows a cameraman on a cricket pitch (I believe that's the right term). I'm not a big sports fan but I can't think of any US sports that allow cameramen on the field/pitch/court/etc. So, is this common in cricket? I'm not ignoring the fact that the players might have been on some sort of break in the play which allowed the camera to come out. How about other sports? Dismas|^(talk) 15:47, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In NFL football, there's an "eye in the sky" kind of thing that moves all over the field, but only behind the line of scrimmage to minimize the chance of interfering with game action. In big events like the World Series, you'll see cameramen with portable cameras, generally in foul territory only, following David Ortiz or whoever as they round the bases,[1] or as the players celebrate on the field post-victory (both of those are "time-out" situations). This is actually not new in baseball. The American League, I think it was, actually allowed photographers on the field (again, in foul ground) during the early 1900s. That's where some great action shots came from, such as the iconic picture of Ty Cobb sliding into third base and spilling the infielder. That practice came to an end as better lenses were developed, probably along with safety concerns. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 16:59, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for reminding me about spidercam and skycam. Just skimming the articles, I'm not sure what actually makes them different enough to necessitate separate articles. Dismas|^(talk) 17:44, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ditto Spydercam. But to return to the question, yes, having a camera operator on the playing area is absurd (not to mention the Segway) so I suspect it was not a genuine match, just some film-maker needed some shots of cricket.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 18:05, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If I understand cricket correctly, there's really no "out of bounds" part of the field. Even baseball has foul territory, 270 degrees of a circle - but cricket is 360 degrees, right? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 18:26, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As I remember, this particular action happened in the warm-up prior to the first ball. Baseball Bugs is right that in cricket the ball can be played in any direction by the batsman, and that hitting the delivery outside the boundary that defines the field is practically the best that you can do.Comradezombie1 (talk) 20:32, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Won't happen again. The commentators on the TV coverage of last night's Australia vs England cricket game spent a lot of time extolling the benefits of the spidercam that their network uses. Though they did wonder what the score was for hitting it with the ball. HiLo48 (talk) 20:39, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It has happened before. The result was a dead ball and the ball was rebowled. As an aside, in the Big Bash League, balls hitting the roof at Docklands Stadium are considered to be sixes, as opposed to dead ball (in previous matches at the ground, balls hitting the roof within the field of play were called dead). Hack (talk) 08:04, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

How often has the roof been hit? HiLo48 (talk) 08:55, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

At least three times. Mike Hussey in 2005 and Aaron Finch in 2012 and 2014. The 2013 Big Bash League playing conditions actually have specific provisions for both circumstances. Hack (talk) 09:32, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting. In the domed ballparks in America (the older ones, at least) the roof and speakers and other objects hanging over the field are treated as if they weren't there. That is, if the ball hits the roof or an object hanging from it, it's "in play", or "live". I think the newer ones don't have that problem, being too high to be hit. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 13:43, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The treatment of obstructions above and inside the field of play generally varies according to local custom. The most common are powerlines or trees overhanging the boundary line (and in some famous cases, trees entirely within the field of play). Hack (talk) 14:46, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Going back to the original question. In international cricket, cameras are allowed onto the field of play while the ball is dead (not in play). This is usually before the start of play or when a new batsmen is entering the field. Hack (talk) 00:53, 14 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]