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September 21

Why is it impossible for guitarists to jam to my piano?

Hi. So Playing for Change Day is coming up, and I had been pondering over this problem since the 11th of November last year, so I'll bring this up now. As a freestyle novice pianist, I tend to shift between the scales, incorporating some atypical triads and suspended chorts, but stay mostly in the Ionian mode with accidentals so I could do it without examining the keys. I just briefly read through major thirds tuning from DYK, but can y'all recommend any tricks for a guitarist to harmonize or jam session to my pianism in a way that it overlaps the upper overtone harmonics such as 9th and 13th but does not off-key clash with the other instrument? Thanks! ~AH1 ^(discuss!) 00:45, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It depends on the skill and experience of the guitarist. If the guitarist is trained in the Jazz tradition, they should be able to keep up fairly easily. If they're like me, used to playing basic pop and rock songs, they're probably most comfortable with basic I-IV-V song structure and the pentatonic scales amd stuff like that. There's about a billion different ways to play the guitar, so you're going to find a wide variation. --Jayron32 03:08, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize beforehand that this will come across a little bit blunt. You view yourself as a novice, you have chosen a modal key in order to be able to play without knowing the keyboard layout with your eyes closed, and you play atypical triads and suspended chorts (chords?). Considering the preceding, you presumably also improvise, and switch to whatever atypical triad you feel would suit the mood of your improvisation when you feel the time is right. And you are surprised that the guitarists you've played with have problems following your musical logic. Are you following theirs? To do a jam session, you need some common ground. It's not about one musician trying to follow another. It is about two or more musicians following some collective logic, each musician paying close attention to what the others are doing, and where they're heading. --NorwegianBlue^talk 19:51, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just riffing of that theme (geddit) I once saw a series of programmes with Wynton Marsalis explaining the art of improvisation in jazz, which were very interesting. Basically you all need to know the basic tune and chord structure and rhythm of the tune before you can shoot off at weird angles. So maybe you need to become au fait with more traditional ways of playing keyboards and meet the other musicians halfway? --TammyMoet (talk) 20:04, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Continuing on that: take a listen to Kind of Blue sometime. Nearly every track on that record with very little preparation over the course of two days on an improvised modal composition, and what strikes me as a listener is how completely tight it is. It sounds like they've been rehearsing the songs for days before recording them, and they're all pretty much off the cuff improvisational pieces. There's a BIG difference between good improvisational music and unlistanble atonal crap, and the difference is that the musicians are working from a common musical vocabulary, and not just making stuff up. Good jams are always based on having a common vocabulary to choose from, and also on the fact that a good jam is generally constucted over a rather simple base set. The band plays a basic progression everyone knows, and individual soloists step out and play within those keys. --Jayron32 06:54, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Once More, in case it was missed.

Back in July, I asked some questions about a TV series and movie I had once seen, and I wish just to repeat these questions to see if anyone out there who missed them the first time can work the answers out for me. They are as follows : I am curious about the name of a TV series I recall watching at least eight years ago on TV here in NZ. I am almost certain it starred Tom Amandes as a man who came to a post World War Two Canadian Prairie Town, as a veteran with perhaps his own past secrets. He was keen on a war widow who had a ten or so year old son who attended school. In one episode this boy, who was clever, and had done well at some test, got cocky, and the school teacher asked him harder questions just to bring him down to earth as she was concerned about his boasting. There was a native American Indian who had come back from the War but still faced some prejudice while certain people seemed to rely on Amandes' character to sort out such problems as a man of common sense. I have searched Tom Amandes' IMDB and Wikipedia article, and found nothing, and to my first request, I was answered by Sazea (talk)that there was nothing about such a show on Mr. Amandes' personal website. For New Zealand Users, it was shown here on Sundays, perhaps on TV Two, either morning or early afternoon, and could have been made from as early as 1990 to 2004, but I cannot remember who else was in it. If anyone in New Zealand has access to TV records for the past even 25 years, maybe they can help. Does anyone have any ideas ?

I do have some other questions. Many years ago, some time in the nineties, I saw a movie made and set about 1987 about a mother whose boy had been kidnapped. In fact I cannot remember if I saw the whole thing or just the last part. In this one, at the end, she finds her son in New York City, but he is with a man who will not give him up - a kind of Fagan like character, and when the woman begs him for her son he basically tells her to get stuffed, like whaddya gonna do about it ? I believe the man is a drug dealer based in a laundromat. The woman finds a middle aged cop on the street and tells him about it. The cop accompanies her to the laundromat and challenges the perp, who pulls a gun, cop shoots him dead, and the woman gets her son back. This is reminiscent though rather different to Meredith Baxter in the Kissing Place, so it is not that film, although a similar sort of reunion occurs there as well. In addition, there is another film - I think these were made for TV ones, where a lady does find her daughter and rescues her from the street, but gives her up to the Social Services anonymously as she knows and realises she cannot care for her, but there is something about her making sure her daughther, who is very young, keeps her old rag doll. I cannot recall who was in either of these, and I think the second one is from the nineties. If anyone has any idea, then that would be good. Finally, there was a movie I did see here late at night when TV Two used to show movies from 2.30 am about Police in LA I believe, trying to catch a serial killer. It involved a white female cop, who is a name actress I cannot recall, shooting dead a suspect who was threatening a male partner , whom she may once have had relations with, and the actor playing him was known to me also, but I cannot recall him. There was also one scene in which there was an African American woman, with piercing blue eyes ( NOT Vanessa Williams ), who put on an act with one of the murder suspects, pretending to cry about some memory she had, to wind him up, or stop him being suspicious of her. I do not know if the suspect knew she was a cop. This actress is not as well known - I just remember thinking that at the time. I think the killer turned out to be someone to do with the Police , like an assistant D.A. or C.S.I. tech. This one must have been made within certainly the last ten years, and it was shown on TV in New Zealand about 2009. Thank You All. Chris the Russian Christopher Lilly 03:33, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's just possible I have got your first one this time round. Could it be Adventures in Rainbow Country? - Ka renjc 18:08, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank You so much for finding that, and I will admit it looks close, but I am almost certain the one I saw was filmed more recently. The strange thing is, even if something is set in the 1940's, one can still tell whether it was filmed in the sixties or later. It does not appear that this one You mention was set earlier than the late nineteen sixties. I would have noticed at the time if it had appeared to look older than one filmed more recently. I still think the widow had only a son. One thing could be true, that they used this show You found as a basis for the one I am thinking of, or of course, it is just a coincidence, as can happen, but I do not think this is the one, and I could only be sure by seeing it.

I just thought the show I saw was also an hour long, although that could be done, and has been here, but fitting two epsiodes into one, like the do with Scrubs here when they run an hour's worth, show the opening credits for the first episode, but not the close, and omit the opening for the second, as if it was all one episode. Again, I am certain Tom Amandes was in it, or at least one who looked like him. He does bear a resemblance to Jimmy Stewart, but it certainly was not him. I will also keep looking. Thanks for that, but although it sounds very close, I cannot be sure that is the one. Chris the Russian Christopher Lilly 06:13, 25 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Without linking to any copyright-infringing sites, I would just note that clips from AIRC are available on YouTube, including the show's theme tune and opening credits, which might help you eliminate it (or otherwise) as a possibility. You could also cast your eye over List of English-language Canadian television series in the hope that something might ring a bell. - Ka renjc 08:31, 25 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

While Shepherds Watched Their Flocks - Erich Leinsdorf, LSO

I have a recording of Erich Leinsdorf conducting the London Symphony Orchestra for the carol While Shepherds Watched Their Flocks. The Sony CD it is from is copyrighted 1994. Leinsdorf died in 1993.

In an effort to accurately date the tracks in my music library, I have tried to hunt down the original recording and date of this track. Whle I can live with listing it in my library from the Sony compilation album "The Sound of Christmas, Volume 3," I'd really like to have the year right. The CD also lists prior copyright years as 1974, 89, 90, and 93 - but does not indicate which tracks correspond to which years, and even then might point to earlier compilations taken from. There's no further information in liner notes.

In reading up on both the LSO and on Leinsdorf, I don't see any mention of when he conducted for them. I expect he was a guest conductor at the time of the recording, perhaps even for the single piece. I also searched the track itself and found no comprehensive listing of performances or recordings, as one would imagine that to be exhaustive.

My search has included a book search in Amazon (which gave a promising 1947 lead in Billboard, but merely mentioned both the carol title and conductor on the same page but not as the same performance), Allmusic, Musicstack, and even ebay. Is there an online classical music database I'm unaware of which I could use? Does anyone just happen to have this info?

I'm very hopeful someone here can help me. Thank you.

Medleystudios72 (talk) 13:58, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

ArkivMusic is my go-to place for these sorts of queries. It has lots of entries for Leinsdorf, lots for the LSO, and lots for "While shepherds watched" - but zero that I can see for this particular recording. It may be hidden there under some other name. Best of luck. -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ ^{[your turn]} 22:07, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Here's what I have been able to find out so far.

Philip Stuart's discography of the LSO lists six recordings conducted by Leinsdorf between 1961 and 1975, but not this one.

Other releases with this same track are An Orchestral Christmas (Sony Music, 1998) and 15 Christmas Classics: A Yuletide Concert (Sony Music Special Products, 2001). I have not located a release that's earlier than your CD.

An Orchestral Christmas also includes Angels from the realms of glory, credited to London Symphony Orchestra and Chorus conducted by Erich Leinsdorf.

Two other selections appear on a 1969 LP called Great Songs of Christmas (Album Nine) issued by the Goodyear tire company, produced for them by Columbia Special Products. In Dulce Jubilo and O Sanctissima are credited to the Roger Wagner Chorale and London Symphony Orchestra conducted by Erich Leinsdorf. Was the chorus overdubbed, or if not, what was this Los Angeles-based group doing in London, where there's no shortage of choruses?

Stuart's discography lists a CBS (USA) session for the LSO in Barking Assembly Hall on 27 June 1969. Conductor and music are unidentified; "a single session, possibly Christmas Carols" says Stuart. I wonder where Leinsdorf was on that date? He had just finished his Boston Symphony tenure in April.

Confusing, yes? I will try to find an email contact for Philip Stuart to see if he can shed any more light. ReverendWayne (talk) 03:23, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Barking Assembly Hall![1] They really pushed the boat out with that one ;-) Alansplodge (talk) 19:05, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Some seriously top-notch detective work thusfar. I'm very interested in what you've all posted in reply. Keeping my fingers crossed on the Barking '69 session, which looks promising. Thank you!Medleystudios72 (talk) 12:31, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

PSY Gangnam Style director

Who directed the Gangnam Style music video by PSY? How would I find out this information? Thanks. Coolbubbles1234 (talk) 17:20, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

unknown worldwar movie .

i watched this movie some 15 years ago when was a kid.cant remember its name. but dying to have a copy of it. it was based upon world war 2, describing life and fight of a young group( may be acting as resistance group). what i remembered just some scenes of the movie.shot in one then but prominent European city under siege of axis power. random scene 1- some guys stole rations and siphoning through rain pipe from roof of maybe forbidden store house. scene 2-a group of resistance fighters took shelter from assault in one of the prominent building which destroyed after a fight by a tank.( seemed to some ww2 panzer version) ,resulting some casualities and finally capture of group taken to some camp. scene 3-after the camp( may be pow or concentration camp) liberated by (seemed to be)allied troops , a seemingly angry former member tied feet of an camp officer (nazi seemed to be)to a horse and dragged him .

please if anyone have any recollection would be great. — Preceding unsigned comment added by D1987k (talk • contribs) 20:24, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Was this an English language film? Alansplodge (talk) 20:40, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

in reply to Alansplodge, the language was english but maaybe dubbed after — Preceding unsigned comment added by D1987k (talk • contribs) 20:48, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe The Pianist (2002 film) or Enemy at the Gates. Both feature besieged cities with tanks in the streets and a frightened population hiding and scavenging scraps from where ever they can. Don't remember the bit about the horse in either film though. Astronaut (talk) 10:45, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

```no not

I also found Stalingrad (1993 film), but that was in German though it did receive a US release in 1993. Astronaut (talk) 10:50, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

```no not pianist nor stalingrad mo enemy at the gates seen all those,definetly older than those probably from 1970 or 80 time.

Maybe Uprising (2001)? I couldn't find a synopsis anywhere, but there may be some clips on YouTube. Alansplodge (talk) 19:01, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't sound like a US or UK film from the 70's/80's. Could it have been a European or Polish film about the Warsaw Uprising of 1944 (not the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, which features in the film Uprising). It's not Kanal, which is probably the best known, but I believe there are others. Elen of the Roads (talk) 21:24, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Otpisani maybe? Made into a series later. Can't find detailed plot... Ssscienccce (talk) 21:54, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]