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October 20

Bowl Championship Series & busters ranked 1 and 2

Int he unlikely event that enoughupsets occur that Boise States and, I believe, TCU would be ranked #1 and #2 in the final BCS rankings before the bowls, which rules - the rule saying only one team from a BCS Busters conference may be in the BCS bowls, or the rule saying #1 and #2 must play? My guess is the latter, as I read earlier that - if a conference winner (like UCLA in 1984) were ranked lower than 2 other teams in their conference, and those 2 coincidentally were 1 & 2 in the BCS, then the conference champion was locked out of the BCS. So, it makes sense that #1 and #2 face off no matter what weirdness ensures, but I figured I'd ask to make sure.4.68.248.130 (talk) 01:10, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If I were to guess, #1 would play #3 or the next BCS school in the ranking because the rule of "One non-BCS team allowed to play in a BCS bowl" probably has a no exceptions after this. Unfair but it's the way it is, unfortunately.--Giants 27(c|s) 01:20, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, thanks. Of course, even with the BCS we had a split national title one year, as the AP voted differently (and now has backed out entirely), but that opens up a new can of worms which I wont' get into.4.68.248.130 (talk) 01:33, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, the rules for choosing BCS teams mandates that, should the champion of a non-BCS team be ranked in the top-12, they become an automatic selection; however if two non-BCS schools end up ranked in the top-12, then only the higher-ranked non-BCS school ends up as an "automatic" selection. HOWEVER, the other school could still be chosen as an at-large bid. Plus, the BCS championship game is guaranteed to place #1 vs. #2 in the BCS ranking, regardless of whether or not those schools are guaranteed an automatic bid otherwise. Thus, in the highly unlikely, but still theoretically possible, event where say Boise State was #1 and TCU was #2 (it would require essentially that ALL other BCS schools had at least 2 losses; again possible but unlikely), those two schools would still get to play in the BCS national championship. It has happened before where one of the two schools in the BCS championship game was actually an "at large" selection rather than an "automatic selction"; for example in the 2003 season, Oklahoma lost the Big 12 Championship game to Kansas State, but still was ranked #1 overall by the BCS formula; thus they got to play for the National Championship, and they weren't even the champion of their own league (and thus were not an "automatic selection" to the BCS. To explain the full formula for selecting teams to the BCS:

The champions of the 6 "BCS" conferences are guaranteed berths in one of the 5 BCS games. These are "automatic" selections.
The champion of at most one of the non-BCS conference is granted an "automatic" selection as well, as long as it is ranked in the top-12, or is ranked higher than one of the champions of the BCS conferences.
That leaves either 4 (should no non-BCS conference champion qualify) or 3 (should they do) at-large selections. The at-large selections are chosen by the bowl games themselves, from the eligible pool of schools, which are those in the top-14 positions. The deal with these at-large selections is that there is no restriction on who the bowl games may choose, except that no more than 2 schools may come from the same conference. If the rankings play out as expected, Boise State will get an automatic bid to a BCS bowl; however that would not prevent TCU from being selected as an at-large selection should they be in the top-14. It is not very likely that TCU would be so chosen, but there is nothing in the rules preventing it from being so. --Jayron32 05:08, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, thanks, it makes sense now. Well, to me :-)209.244.187.155 (talk) 12:18, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rather obscure Orbital album

As an Orbital fan, I've been trying to purchase all of their work in some way or the other, and I've been mostly successful - except that I can't find anything to do with "Octane - OST," which I would like to listen to before I buy. I know that "Initiation" is on Grooveshark, and "Octane" is on Youtube, but I can't find a place to "try-before-you-buy," and I was wondering if anyone knew of a place where I could find some of these songs?

Thanks, 110.175.208.144 (talk) 10:25, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It turns out Amazon has listening samples available here. —Akrabbim^talk 12:18, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome, thanks! 110.175.208.144 (talk) 21:04, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

show related to natural events

When I read the article about how the 2009 Samoa earthquake affected New Zealand, I suddenly remembered that Trauma star Cliff Curtis hails from that country. I wonder how he would have been affected by that disaster. On one episode of the show, one paramedic said he worked in the relief efforts following Hurricane Katrina. Which one was that?24.90.204.234 (talk) 17:30, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not a direct answer to the question (I don't know the answer), but FWIW, New Zealand was hardly affected by the tsunami (one small pleasure boat moored in a harbour in the far north of the country sank, IIRC, but that was all - the tide was only a handful of centimetres when it reached our shores. So I doubt that Curtis was directly affected by it (his ancestry is Maori rather than Samoan). A large number of New Zealand entertainers, including many with Pacific Island origins, are currently holding some big charity concerts around the country to raise funds for the relief effort in Samoa. I don't think Curtis is involved in the concerts, but it's possible. Among NZ-based people who were badly affected by the tsunami, BTW, were the rapper Savage, boxer David Tua, and rugby player Neemia Tialata. Grutness...wha? 00:12, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]