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Zastava Koral

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While it has been troubled, it is now a good looking article, and I would like to get it featured sometime. Karrmann 00:21, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Try using the citation templates, ie Template:Cite web instead of directly entering it, these templates make referencing a far lot neater. Also consider fitting the lists into prose. Lists are generally frowned upon by the wikipedia community. MyNameIsNotBob 04:15, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for mentioning the {{Cite web}}, Adrian! I guess I need to prepare some boilerplate text on that... Anyway, here I go:
  • The whole name of the article is questionable. Zastava has only recently started calling this model "Koral" AFAIK (I guess after the war), so this is not the vehicle's ORIGINAL name, per the convention adopted for automotive articles. I remember this vehicle being referred to Yugo/Jugo 45 the earliest I can remember, even the Serbian Wikipedia entry is "Jugo" (though it is in cyrillic script and I can't tell much...). EDIT: Hrvatska Wikipedija (latin script) also seems to list Yugo 45 etc. as model names in Wikipedia)
    On the other hand, calling this article "Yugo 45" might be a bit misleading, while "Yugo" or "Zastava Yugo" would be too broad. Several sources list the original name of this model as Zastava 102, so perhaps it would be a good name for the article then.
  • An overwhelming majority of sources argue that the mechanicals for this car come from Fiat 127 and not Fiat 128, which was the basis for earlier Zastavas. Also the Autobianchi claim needs to be backed by some very good reference - I have never heard of it, and the model looks just like the Fiat 127 (and not the A112).
  • The article in general is a hodgepodge of various Yugo-related stuff, which is why I find it so hard to review in a consistent format. There is a portion of (Crvena) Zastava's history, which does not belong there, but in the Zastava page, a "criticism and response" section which does not belong in WP at all, as well as an absolutely horrendous "trivia" section. The Pop culture section could be so much better arranged - in particular, Drowning Mona deserve a more comprehensive description (not of the movie itself, but of the Yugo cars theme).
  • I remember the Koral cabrios sold in Poland had a rear seat, was there ever a Yugo roadster? Anyway, we don't list every cabrio without a rear seat as a roadster, I believe this claim is humorous at best.
  • I don't know of any Zastavas being sold in Poland at the moment. I think exports to Poland ceased in 1999 and were never resumed.
  • The paragraph on NATO bombings does not seem very credible to me, the killings themselves are not referenced, and the source quoted for the above line is quite questionable POV stuff. Zastava article itself contradicts this report. Even the Zastava article or Serbian Wikipedia (I have asked a Cyrillic-fluent member of my family for help) does not pose such claims!
  • The article is too much focused on the US market and does not say too much about Yugo history sales in the domestic market, as well as other international markets.
  • Overall - there's a WHOLE LOT to do...
I wasn't overly helpful, was I? ;) Bravada, talk - 08:52, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well overall there article is well written and featrues sufficient references and I do like the fact that the culutral aspects of the Yugo were covered. While the article certainly isn't bad, there are a couple of things that I would change before nominating it for FA status:

  • The "Model names covered" section is quite difficult to read, I think a wikitable would be better here
  • Instead of having a section for "History" and one for "US history," it might be better to have just one "History" section with a "US history" sub-section
  • The Trivia section could be moved to end of the article where it is found in most car articles
  • In the popular culture section you might want to move the TV sub-section to the top and have the short lists at the bottom
  • I would also consider it helpful if the "Notes" and "References" section were merged as this would clarify what sources exactly were used.
  • It would also be helpful if you would review the accuracy of some statments such as "The Zastava Koral (Known around the US and Europe as the Yugo)." While, yes, the car may have been called the Yugo in many western European countires, its "native" country where it was called the "Zastava Koral" is also in Europe

Best Regards, Signaturebrendel 17:36, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • It can be improved by reducing links to solitary years. A monobook tool allows this to be done with one click on a 'dates' tab in edit mode. You can then accept or reject the changes offered and/or do more editing before pressing 'Save'. Simply copy the entire contents of User:Bobblewik/monobook.js to your own monobook. Then follow the instructions in your monobook to clear the cache (i.e. press Ctrl-Shift-R in Firefox, or Ctrl-F5 in IE) before it will work. Hope that helps. bobblewik 19:24, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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