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I'm hoping to push this article to Good Article status, and would be grateful for any criticism you may be able to offer. As such, please bear the GA goal in mind – what needs alteration to meet that mark? Thanks a million, Seegoon (talk) 23:44, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
Ruhrfisch comments: Thanks for your work on this and your recent peer reviews, here are some suggestions for improvement with an eye to GAN. I think this looks pretty good already.
- Unclear sentence Produced by "Evil" Joe Barresi after having previously worked with Matt Bayles for years, it stands as Isis' last full-length as the band split just over a year after its release. The phrase "after having previously worked with Matt Bayles for years" has no clear subject - I am pretty sure it means Isis had worked Bayles before, but this needs to be clearer. So perhaps something like Isis, which had worked with producer Matt Bayles for years, chose "Evil" Joe Barresi as producer; this was Isis' last full-length album, as the band split just over a year after its release. would be clearer. Could also just split it into two sentences.
- Yep, fair. Rushed and ugly. I've changed this.
- Also Bayles is only mentioned twice in the article after the lead - is he important enough to be in the lead? So perhaps "This was "Evil" Joe Barresi first time to produce an album for Isis, but it was the band's last full-length album as they split up just over a year after its release.
- I've just pared the whole thing down.
- The lead seems a bit sparse to me. The lead should be an accessible and inviting overview of the whole article - my rule of thumb is to include every header in the lead in some way. Please see WP:LEAD
- I've expanded this a little with detail re: touring and theme.
- Add the year of release here? From conception to final release [in 2009], drummer Aaron Harris estimates that the creation and execution of Wavering Radiant took about two and a half years.[2]
- Yep, cool.
- I expected there to be more detail about how they were living for their previous album. Also just having "full-length" by itself seems odd During the writing of the record, all of Isis' members were residing permanently within Los Angeles; a situation in contrast to previous full-length [album? record?], 2006's In the Absence of Truth.
- Added some more info and reworded.
- Can you abandon something "more freely"? would something like "allowing them more freedom to abandon failed avenuies" work better? ...allowing them to abandon failed avenues more freely and gives ideas time to evolve
- Reworded.
- Why is Barresi called "Evil" in the lead but not in the body of the article?
- This is just a weird quirk of his, and I don't really know where it applies and where it doesn't. I've removed it altogether.
- Is there a link for drum tracking? Also missing "the" in The drum tracking took place over three and a half days at Sound City in Van Nuys; the same studio in which [the?] seminal Nirvana record Nevermind was tracked.
- I suspect it would just fall under multitrack recording, which is linked in the same section.
- Third paragraph of Writing and recording at the end has a sentence on drum tracking, then on Hammond B3, then on drum tech. Any reason not to put the drum sentences together?
- Tried to rework this entire section (I knew it was sloppy even before this PR) and I'm still not insanely happy with the outcome.
- I would recast this sentence to give the date of the official announcement first, then talk about the Tool guest artist The album's official announcement was on {22 January 2009?]; Tool's Adam Jones involvement as a guest musician was revealed at the same time.[8]
- Well, the issue here is that I'm trying to focus on his involvement over and above the release, which is mentioned in the next section.
- Problem sentence The former made it onto the Japanese edition, while "The Pliable Foe" was a part of the Metal Swim compilation released by Adult Swim,[12] as well as Isis' split with Melvins, both released in 2010. The split EP needs a ref, and more importantly the article on it says that both songs were on the split EP (not just one song)
- You're entirely right. Rehashed it completely.
- Date formats need to be consistent - some are date month year, others are month date year.
- Yup. Good spot.
- Is using the number sign OK with the WP:MOS or should it be spelled out? On May 13 the album entered the Billboard 200 at #98 ...
- You're right, they aren't keen on this.
- Are rough dates for the tour legs known / if so could they be added?
- Yeah, they are. I've added a little info.
- Dissects seems like an odd word choice in Isis releases have always had a thematic basis; as Andrew Rennie dissects, ... Maybe notes or comments?
- I use 'notes' and 'comments' every other sentence throughout, it seems. Maybe dissects isn't right either. I'll think on this.
- Add score is out of a possible 100 to Its score of 79 – or 'generally favorable' – on Metacritic attests to decent reception.[60] ?
- Sure; can't hurt.
- No dab links, one dead external link by the EL checker on this PR page.
- Fortunately, I could just cut that one with no negative repercussions.
- Refs and images look OK to me
- Please make sure that the existing text includes no copyright violations, plagiarism, or close paraphrasing. For more information on this please see Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2009-04-13/Dispatches. (This is a general warning given in all peer reviews, in view of previous problems that have risen over copyvios.)
Hope this helps. If my comments are useful, please consider peer reviewing an article, especially one at Wikipedia:Peer review/backlog (which is how I found this article). I do not watch peer reviews, so if you have questions or comments, please contact me on my talk page. Yours, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 18:19, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks so much for this. I'm working my way through gradually. Seegoon (talk) 10:46, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
- Aaaand I'm spent. You're a star! I'll send this on its merry way to GAC once this PR has been closed. Then I'll cross my fingers and toes and keep 'em that way. Seegoon (talk) 11:04, 16 May 2011 (UTC)