Wikipedia:Peer review/The KLF/archive1

The KLF

article is about an early-1990s british electronica band. aim is to make this article featured quality. please give any pointers about what can be done to achieve that, and list anything at all that could prevent it becoming a featured article. Zzzzz 22:22, 19 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The list in the second paragraph beginning They also gained notoriety for... is very long. Try making two or more sentences out of it by changing it into direct prose.

done Zzzzz 09:48, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure about your use of semi-colons. They seem to be used far too liberally and for what I believe are the wrong reasons, such as, as "tastefully understated"[2]; a "touching if idiosyncratic biographical statement".

fixed the example given, didnt check for others yet Zzzzz 09:48, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Agree that they were used too often and sometimes inappropriately. I've removed some, but left those which serve to highlight the relationship between what would otherwise be two sentences. Does this seem better? --Vinoir 13:59, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Probably my doing. I would say that in most cases I was conjoining statements which could stand alone as two sentences, or where merging reviews from two publications into one overview. I trust Vinoir to have fixed it as I don't feel well enough to trawl through diffs today :) --kingboyk 13:09, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You will need to find citations for the parts where there are {{fact}} tags, or justify their removal before submitting to WP:FAC.

I think without exception any {{fact}} tags were added by me (one of the principle authors), either to statements I added from memory (for which I know there is a source but I hadn't located it at the time), or to rather dubious material which was in the article when I first arrived. We'll ensure that all such occurences are replaced with a citation, removed, or left without {{fact}} in any instance where the attached statement is not controversial. (OK, let's see: "Recalling the moment in a radio interview" - that was me, I don't have a transcript to hand, however he said much the same on numerous occasions, so we can fix that; "banned from the airwaves of BBC Radio 1", that's your's Vinoir but I tagged it (do you have a source?); "leading some people to have compared Drummond and Cauty's incarnations to The Residents", I think that's a very old line, it might have to go; I do believe all others have now been dealt with). --kingboyk 13:09, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed "banned from the airwaves of BBC Radio 1" statement because I was going by Drummond's word for that, and I have not found a source to back him up, from the BBC or elsewhere. --Vinoir 03:17, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There's one more: "When the play moved to London it was seen by a young Jimmy Cauty". Again, I tagged this. I don't know if we need a citation specifically for that assertion, but some quotations from Cauty and Drummond about Illuminatus, and perhaps a music press or broadsheet article about their appropriation of Illuminatus symbology (is that a word? :)), would be nice. The "When the play moved to London it was seen by a young Jimmy Cauty" thing is something of a KLF legend but is that good enough? Possibly not. --kingboyk 04:03, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just that one left now I think. I've fixed 2 others. --kingboyk 08:33, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

the source for that is this: http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~stuey/klf/23.htm Zzzzz 10:13, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The author of that article User:Drstuey most probably inserted it into our article too, as he was an early contributor to it. I knew of him already because is a member of the KLF mailing list; as far as I know he's not a published author or an acknowledged expert in the field (any more than - say - I am; not that I doubt he knows what he's talking about!). Thinking about it, though, it might be mentioned in Peter Robinson's "Justified & Ancient History". Robinson went on to work as a music journalist for one of the weeklies, so we could possibly get away with using him. I'd still prefer some hard evidence or a direct quote, however. --kingboyk 10:43, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I got that fact" from Peter Robinson's "Justified & Ancient History" fanzine. Drstuey 11:05, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Remove the red link in "Legacy" by creating the article or removing the link.

MyNam e IsNotBob 01:20, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have no objection to doing that, none at all as it's not an important link. However, why should that be necessary? It's not a KLF-related article (so not one we have any immediate intention of creating, I think), and redlinks used in moderation do have some value. --kingboyk 13:09, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with that. It's like the "Bagpuss" shop window: if anyone passing sees something that they'd like to partake in, then they can, and we might gain a new Wikipedian. --Vinoir 03:17, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

But what do the FAC rules say? I know all our links should be blue for FAC, but I don't know about links that couldn't reasonably be expected to be part of our project (the Oberheim OB-8 is a similar red link). --kingboyk 04:03, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

there is no rule.... redlinks are ok, but turning them into stub articles will help anon users as they can't create articles. Zzzzz 10:12, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, yes, of course. Good rationale, I shall see what I can do about the Oberheim OB-8 and Sound on Sound then. --Vinoir 22:04, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Aha! Well there ya go, learn something new every day. Cue the cliched but genuine "I hadn't thought of that!" :) --kingboyk 00:50, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to those who have voiced an opinion; any more feedback, good or bad, is most welcome. Cheers. --kingboyk 13:09, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]