Wikipedia:Peer review/Skopje/archive2
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I've listed this article for peer review because… I want to nominate it for FA. It already gained a GA status, but I think with the help of a reviewer, we can make it feature. Thank You. Greetings
Thanks, Tomica1111 (talk) 22:20, 14 June 2011 (UTC)1111tomica
Ruhrfisch comments: Thanks for your work on this and congrats on the GA. I think this needs a fair amount of work before it would be ready to pass at FAC, so here are some suggestions for improvement.
- A model article is useful for ideas and examples to follow - there are 60 FAs on cities at Category:FA-Class WikiProject Cities articles, so there are a lot of potential models to choose from.
- Toolbox on this page finds one dab link that will need to be fixed before FAC.
- Same toolbox EL checker finds 3 dead links
- This article has an unusual structure - Etymology, then Geography, then History. The guidelines at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Cities#Article_guidelines_and_conventions for UK, US, Canadian and Indian cities all suggest putting History before Geography.
- Biggest problem as I see it with this article is a lack of references in places - this would probably be a quick fail at FAC in its current state. My rule of thumb is that every quote, every statistic, every extraordinary claim and at least the end of every paragraph needs a ref.
- There is at least one citation needed tag and the Landmarks and Culture sections have several unreferenced paragraphs. There are also several places where there are one or more unreferenced sentences after a ref in a paragraph.
- I checked one ref - current # 85 (Stadiums in the FYR Macedonia". World Stadiums. http://www.worldstadiums.com/europe/countries/macedonia.shtml. Retrieved 2011-13-03.) It is at the end of the first paragraph on Sport. The problem is that it does not say anything about swimming pools or water polo, so those statements need refs too. See WP:CITE and WP:V
- References are not consitent in the information provided (and needed). For example, internet refs need URL, title, author if known, publisher and date accessed. {{cite web}} and other cite templates may be helpful.
- Dates in refs need to be in a consistent format (several are used), and all sources in Macedonian need to be identified as such.
- Make sure the article uses reliable sources
- The lead does not really follow WP:LEAD. The lead should be an accessible and inviting overview of the whole article. Nothing important should be in the lead only - since it is a summary, it should all be repeated in the body of the article itself.
- My rule of thumb is to include every header in the lead in some way, but many of the headers (sport, notable residents) do not seem to be in the lead at all.
- Make sure the headers follow WP:HEAD - for example avoid repeating all or part of the name of the article if possible (so "People from Skopje" could just be "Notable residents" (we already know they are from Skopje as that is what the article is about)
- Article has a lot of short (one or two sentence) paragraphs, which disrupt the narrative flow. These should be combined with others or perhaps expanded wherever possible.
- Many reviewers at FAC dislike image galleries and this has two large ones.
- Language is good but not great - for many articles the most difficult FA criterion to meet is 1a, a professional level of English. See WP:WIAFA
- Please make sure that the existing text includes no copyright violations, plagiarism, or close paraphrasing. For more information on this please see Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2009-04-13/Dispatches. (This is a general warning given in all peer reviews, in view of previous problems that have risen over copyvios.)
Hope this helps. If my comments are useful, please consider peer reviewing an article, especially one at Wikipedia:Peer review/backlog (which is how I found this article). I do not watch peer reviews, so if you have questions or comments, please contact me on my talk page. Yours, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 04:39, 30 June 2011 (UTC)