Wikipedia:Peer review/Sikhism/archive1

Sikhism

Hi all - let's make this a great featured article. I request everyone's help. Rama's Arrow 02:39, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

• Some initial issues to work on:
  • Obviously, the lack of references needs to be fixed. Also, inline citations are needed.
  • The external link section is way too large; please shortern it.
  • It is a bit list-weighty; see Religious philosophy.
  • Per WP:MOS#Headings, heading should avoid using the word "The" at the beginning whenever possible.
  • Generally, years without full dates and decades are not linked - see WP:CONTEXT, WP:MOSDATE.
  • Please alphabetize the categories and interwiki links
  • I'm just curious, but is there a particular reason for the inclusion of Image:Sikh wearing turban.jpg? The cell phone is rather unencyclopediac...

Thanks, AndyZ _t 22:01, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I've fixed some of your points as suggested (I've struck them out). Please check them out. In regards to 'the' in headings, I've changed 'The Ten Gurus' to 'Ten Gurus' but I personally think this would be better as it originally was. What's your view? Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 00:49, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay in kickstarting this process. I've some points I want to put forth before the revisions begin:

1. External links are there any commercial links? these are not acceptable and must be removed immediately.
2. Verification the Ten Gurus table needs verification.

Rama's Arrow 15:50, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

I'll verify the Gurus table - I've flagged it for quite some time now and it really does need to be double checked. This may require a bit of reading though because I'm not sure we can trust some of the dates on the web at the moment.

The links pretty much all need to go. It has literally turned into a link farm. Some are useful; most are not. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 16:14, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Okay, dates verified. See notes on Template:List of Sikh Gurus. 90% of links removed. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 00:44, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

History I think the Khalistan section must be incorporated within the history section and not separately - the latter implies that Khalistan somehow defines Sikhism, which is not true. Also, the history section must include significant notes regarding Mughal pogroms against Sikhs, Maharaja Ranjit Singh's kingdom and the displacement of Sikhs during partition of India. Rama's Arrow 02:29, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Basic review

• Copyedit needed
• Summary needed to lowe page size
• remove bold text
• SVG image needed of the khanda is needed
• Why are characters marked like this: nirākārā?

These are standard transliterations of Indic (in this case Punjabi/Sanskrit words) following ISO 15919 (very similar to IAST). This is a standard convention is both encyclopedias and scholarly work and prevents the need for DIY transliterations. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 16:59, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure if it would be useful. For a causal reader it is difficult to read the non Roman alphabet. =Nichalp «Talk»= 12:14, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

• Having left and right aligned images that squeeze the text between them is bad style
• Table of the gurus conflicts with the image. rem img, table too colourful
• Remv. "Dr."

Nope, it's not removed. =Nichalp «Talk»= 12:14, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Done now. I removed the one just under the picture before. Didn't realise there was one in the body of the text. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 13:02, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Remnid me to review later. Ensure that 1 and 2 are taken care of first. =Nichalp «Talk»= 16:49, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your input. What do you mean by "Summary needed to lowe page size"? Do you mean that the current page is too big? Or that the introduction is too big? I'll strike things off as I do them.

I know you said do 1 and 2 first, but they're bigger jobs ;) I want to make sure we've got all the information down before we do a final copyedit and page size reduction. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 17:34, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Review 2

1. ... trace their ancestries to the Punjab' -- Indian Punjab or the region. Must be clarified.

   Punjab region. Before partition, millions of Sikhs used to live in what is now Pakistan. Incidentally, "the Punjab" tends to refer to the region as a whole. Punjab used without the prefix 'the' is more ambiguous. I've cleared this up now. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 13:13, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

2. Avoid starting a section with left-aligned images. (x3)
3. =Sikhs today= needs to document Sikhs all around the world, not just India.

   Moved to article Sikh. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 20:51, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

4. Pictures of the pañj kakār would be a good addition

   Yes, I'll see what I can do. I tried looking for some using CC search engines but couldn't find anything. I've asked User:Harisingh and I'll see what I can come up with. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 13:17, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

   A picture of three of them has been added. Kes is a bit difficult to demonstrate all in the same picture. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 21:23, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

5. Infobox of the worldwide distribution of Sikhs?

   Moved to article Sikh. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 20:51, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

6. What about Sikhs being targeted in the US, Kashmir?

   Moved to article Sikh. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 20:51, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

7. The table on the 10 Gurus need only list the years of their reign

   I've removed the father/mother column. I'd prefer to keep the rest if that's okay? Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 13:20, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

8. What about divorce, Sikhs emigrating, Sikhs outside India?
9. History needs to be summarised and subsections removed
10. Sikh celebrations, festivals?
11. Though the Harimandir Sāhib is mentioned, also mention the common name (Golden Temple) alongside.

    Add this in the history section and the first picture. It's mentioned alongside three times now in the article. Hopefully this should be sufficient. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 13:26, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

12. Are Sikhs cremated or buried?

    Added - cremated usually. Although doctrinally it's of no relevance how the body is disposed. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 16:26, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

=Nichalp «Talk»= 12:14, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

I've moved all the stuff relating to Sikhs as people to Sikh because this article was already getting a bit big. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 20:51, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Important-Request from -Ambuj Saxena (talk)

• Before taking it for FAC, please take care of the image issues. I am pointing the possible criticisms:
  • Image:Guru nanak.jpg needs source information to ascertain its PD status.
    • Removed. This is a painting by Sobha Singh I think, and it's not in the PD as far as I am aware. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 13:44, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Image:GuruTeghBahadurJi FreedomOfReligion2.jpg too needs source information. Just stating that something is free is not sufficient. GFDL requires attribution to original author. So the name of the charitable institution is necessary. Check for all images.
  • Image:Diwali goldentemple.jpg is a fair-use image with improper rationale. Refering to point 2 in the FU template used in the image description page, "Where no free equivalent is available or could be created that would adequately give the same information". Clearly this doesn't apply to this image as it is definitely possible for anyone else to take this picture. Also, the FU rationale for the image is limited to "Diwali" and hence it cannot be used in the article. Ironically, Diwali no longer uses the image.
    • Removed. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 00:41, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Image:Manmohan Singh 1 1 2005.jpg is lacking a Fair Use Rationale. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 07:05, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Removed. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 20:51, 16 June 2006 (UTC)