Wikipedia:Peer review/Shadow the Hedgehog/archive1

Shadow the Hedgehog

Okay, it's been rewritten, cleaned up, verified, citations were added, and I think it's just about done. You may notice occasional run ons, grammer issues, and sometimes sentances that seem to have no point-remember that this is about a popular video game character, and therefore is edited very often by people too young to know Wikipedia's layout. Any comments, good or bad, are greatly appreciated. --Meteshjj 22:49, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Looks pretty good. You may want to expand some of the smaller Appearances sections, although I know that could be a bit hard. You will probably need more references, and there are way too many images - for example, one image would be enough for the Super section. You should add fair-use rationales to all of them as well. Cvene64 23:34, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Can do.--69.145.123.171 23:41, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Random comments:

There are 10 images of Shadow, 9 of which are more or less identical (the offbeat one is Super Shadow). You can probably cut that down to 4 or 5 without a problem.
The paragraph about Shadow in Sonic X is contextless; Minimally you should link to Tails, Cosmo, and Sonic X, and rephrase it in more general terms.
Again, no context is a problem for his relations: I don't know who, or what, Black Doom is.
On the other hand, there are some random details scattered about that should simply be removed: "He saves her life in Sonic Adventure 2 in Security Hall, when she is locked inside a safe while stealing three of the Chaos Emeralds from GUN to use in the Doctor's Eclipse Cannon." Except for the first eight words, none of that has anything to do with Shadow, and contain a lot of contextless items that an unfamiliar reader would have no clue about ("Security Hall", "GUN", "Eclipse Cannon", and arguably "Doctor").
The list of game-specific abilities probably could be removed; by virtue of being game-specific they hold little importance.
(edit) You need more sources, and I don't like the ones you have. The character homes one is broken for me (it just displays a nearly-blank page, broken images, etc) while SonicHQ appears to be a fansite that's bypassing my popup blocker.
- If you're going to cite the manual, or the strategy guide (which is what it looks like you're doing), cite the manual or strategy guide. Don't point to transcripts thereof because fansites are not particularly reliable sources.

So there are a few cruft problems, but they aren't extensive. Nifboy 04:59, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Well, I just removed billions of excess links that were there and we're still in the process of making it much clearer to a third person. As for sources, that's a bit tougher... But we'll get it. --69.145.123.171 21:39, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Update Okay, I'm working on the references right now. It's tough because most of the information on him nowadays in cruft, but I think I've found some legitimate sites. I.E., IGN, Sega, etc. Anyway, we're up to 9 references at this point-which, while pitiful compared to some articles, is not bad when you realize we had 3 earlier today.--69.145.123.171 22:43, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

(Later update) You're using not-really-reliable sources (Angelfire will get you laughed out of FAC) for statements that don't need citing. For comparison, consider Link (Legend of Zelda), a FA. It cites sales numbers, the official website(s) (for flavor, mostly), two news stories on Twilight Princess, and:
- "In addition to information taken from the Legend of Zelda games themselves, the instruction booklets of the US versions of the Zelda games were also used as references for this article. So were the official Nintendo Player’s Guides by Nintendo Power."
You don't need to cite anything that the game itself tells you by citing "the Sonic the Hedgehog games themselves". If the game tells you Shadow was created 50 years ago, it's covered. The Shadow video game has 10 endings, that's covered. Shadow has nearly identical abilities to Sonic, that's covered. Just make sure the information is directly from the game and not fan speculation.
However, if you can find some interviews with Sega staff about Shadow, and integrate the info into the article, that would be superb. Nifboy 23:58, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Yep, I'm having serious trouble with sources. Anglefire was a desperation shot for sure. I've used every bit of info-searching I know of, but progress is agonizingly slow. Problem is, when you look for information on "Shadow the Hedgehog", you end up getting things on the game, as opposed to the character. That's why there's so much in that section. Also, very few literate people dedicate a whole artice to a single video game character. In short, things are somewhat moving along... Slowly and painfuly, but they are moving. I like the idea about interviews-those are surprisingly easy to find. I'll try to incorporate some into it.--69.145.123.171 00:35, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]