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Prenton Park

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I've listed this article for peer review because ... it has recently undergone a big rewrite. Its sister article History of Tranmere Rovers F.C. recently achieved GA status, and I would appreciate any advice as to how to get this to the same standard.

Thanks! U+003F? 17:26, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Comments from The Rambling Man (talk · contribs)

• I'm not well up on the GA criteria lately, but I'll review it as if I were hoping it to become excellent, if that helps.
• We tend to accentuate _association_ football rather than just football for clarity (particularly with a large US audience).  Done
• Would expand the lead a little to perhaps note the highest attendance, so your lead will then adequately "summarise" the article.  Done
• "when the football arms of two" I get it, but possibly confusing when people aren't aware that cricket and football clubs were one-and-the-same... ✗ Not done

This comment and the next refer to a confusing sentence that I decided to just chop out. U+003F? 01:24, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

• "came together" what do you mean? Did they merge as a football-only club? ✗ Not done
• Ref 4 specifies only a single page but uses the pp. as pages. Suspect if you're using the template, you're using pages=94 rather than page=94. ✗ Not done

I did actually mean pages here (it's a short book). U+003F? 15:04, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

My mistake, the parameter doesn't mean number of pages at all. U+003F? 22:10, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

• "of a suggestions in the" grammar fail.  Done
• "a school and housing" reads a bit odd that way round for me, prefer "housing and a school".  Done
• Often as not, I've been asked to refer to stands as "bleachers", or at least link to Bleacher (this means more to the US readers than us, but is a good description, particularly of the early day stands).  Done

I went with "stands (also known as bleachers)". What do you think? U+003F? 15:04, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

• Seems a shame you can't use File:Prenton Park 1986, Birkenhead - geograph.org.uk - 265798.jpg for some context for what the ground was like in 1986?  Done
• "of all occurred during" try "took place" rather than "occurred", so it's a bit more "active" sounding.  Done
• "Capacity in the ground increased..." this is very unusual following the Taylor Report. I thought most grounds capacity decreased quite a bit after being forced into all-seater configuration?  Done

It's because they built entirely new stands rather than the usual response of just sticking some seats in the terraces. I've rearranged to try to make this more clear. U+003F? 01:24, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

• "A two tier stand, it is generally divided into 3 main " 3-> three.  Done
• "capacity 1150" -> 1,150.  Done
• "The future of the Main stand is under discussion..." still? the reference provided is 3.5 years old.  Done
• "Main stand " v "Main Stand" - be consistent.  Done
• "5,696[5]. " move the ref to the right of the full stop. Check others.  Done
• Most of Kop section unreferenced.  Done
• "the home of the more vocal home fans" home ... home... repetitive.  Done
• "the football league" I think you probably mean "The Football League" don't you?  Done
• "Their was an average of 6,000..." There.  Done
• "was called off for" would prefer "was suspended as a result of..."  Done
• "of just under 17,000" not really, about 500 short of 17,000.  Done
• Prenton Park ever hosted anything else other than football? Concerts? Religious get-togethers? Other sports? ✗ Not done

I don't know ... U+003F? 18:21, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

• "Success in the 1990s improved and Tranmere's support" don't understand this.  Done
• "ground almost filled" full.  Done
• Not sure about "key games". This is a highly subjective section of the article. What neutral reliable source has said these are key games for Prenton Park? I think perhaps you could go for a "Ground records" or something similar which has the first European game, the highest scoring game etc, instead of this subjectively named section.  Done

I went with "Records". Better? U+003F? 01:24, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

• With "F.C." in the publisher field, I usually pipelink it as follows "Ipswich Town F.C" (without the last .) as the template provides that, and you therefore avoid the double .. you've got.  Done
• Ref 9 needs the hyphens between A-Z and 54-55 to be replaced with an en-dash (–).  Done
• Refs 1 and 3 have the same publisher, so why different names for it? ✗ Not done

Not quite. www.tranmere-rovers.co.uk is the fan site and www.tranmererovers.co.uk the official site. U+003F?

Fair point, well made! The Rambling Man (talk) 14:29, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

• Ref 12, The Indpendent is a work so it should use that parameter in the template, which ensures it'll be in italics.  Done
• Ref 12 is also missing the author.  Done
• Time to create a {{Tranmere Rovers F.C.}} navbox...!  Done

Hope these help. Feel free to give me a shout if you need any further advice or explanation on what I'm banging on about. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:06, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the advice. I'll work through these and get back to you soon. U+003F? 12:53, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks again for the input. I've made some changes as suggested; do you have any further tips as to get it up to GA (or thereabouts)? U+003F? 18:33, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

I made a couple of tiny changes, but I can't see what would hold this back from GA right now. Feel free to ping me if you need any further comments, should the nom not pan out as planned! Good luck, all the best, The Rambling Man (talk) 13:08, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Comments by Oldelpaso

I've just reviewed Hampden Park; some of the suggestions there may well also be useful for this article.

• Not sure Liverpool reserves merit mention in the lead, given they typically have attendances of a few hundred at most. Per WP:LEAD, anything mentioned in the lead also needs to be included in the body.  Done
• Granted, it wasn't a period known for improvements in football grounds, but something must have changed between 1912 and 1968.  Done
• The practice in the 80s / early 90s of hosting matches on a Friday night could be mentioned (while it has no place in the article, I feel obliged to mention how this was immortalised by Half Man Half Biscuit)  Done

I held back on the HMHB reference, though I was sorely tempted ... U+003F? 00:21, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

• Finally, the Inglis test – no article on a British stadium can truly be considered comprehensive unless it cites a book by Inglis. If you want me to email some material from the relevant pages of The Football Grounds of Great Britain, pop a note on my talk page.  Done

What a great book! I've just ordered a copy online that was give or take free U+003F? 00:21, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Hope this helps. Oldelpaso (talk) 18:16, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Very much so, thanks (yet again) for the pointers. U+003F? 00:21, 19 August 2011 (UTC)