Wikipedia:Peer review/Pizza delivery/archive1

Pizza delivery

I'm having trouble coming up with ways the article could be improved, yet, I don't think it is all it could be, especially in the layout department, I'd love to see it someday at least look like it could achieve FA status ;] --VileRage ^{(Reply|C|Spam Me!*)} 04:20, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to see more pictures. A pizza and a deliveryperson shouldn't be too hard to find. Also, it should discuss pizza delivery in different parts of the world, or lack thereof. -- SCZenz 04:26, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That's something I pondered a few days ago, however, after asking around, it seems that every developed country has pizza delivery (or at least every one who's major cities have roads it seems). The pic of a delivery person is forthcoming, I'll snap one of myself likely, after thanksgiving ;] I do appreciate the input greatly, btw! ;] --VileRage ^{(Reply|C|Spam Me!*)} 04:35, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Good Idea, I added a self-pic of a delivery bag, with more to come, hopefully! ;] --VileRage ^{(Reply|C|Spam Me!*)} 01:18, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It's still worth noting the national origins and prevalence of pizza delivery as a cultural phenomenon. I know you can't get it in the suburbs of Geneva, and if you can get it in Geneva itself I haven't heard about it. I imagine it's far less universal in Europe than in the U.S. -- SCZenz 05:41, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

They have it in most urban areas in France. In Nice and Marseilles, a lot of pizza delivery is done on mopeds. Andrew Levine 01:26, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Another comment: from my experience at FAC, sooner or later you'll be told that some of your sections and subsections are too short. Probably you should either expand or combine the short ones. (It annoyed me when they told me that, but it actually did improve my article in the end.) -- SCZenz 05:41, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Good suggestion, about what length would you say the 'too short' threshhold is appx.? --VileRage ^{(Reply|C|Spam Me!*)} 01:18, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well, my best guess from what the people who reviewed my article (today's mainpage article, indcidentally.. ;) is that a subsection should have >1 paragraph, and a section should have at least 3. That means either lengthening explanations, or just taking out subheaders and identifying clearly what you're talking about in the text itself. -- SCZenz 07:26, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, cool, with any luck, I'll remember to work that tomorrow, thanks again ;] --VileRage ^{(Reply|C|Spam Me!*)} 07:37, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Its is very important that you clearly cite and identify your sources so that the article is verifiable.--nixie 23:53, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That's a good idea, I'll try to get on that tonight, thanks! ;] --VileRage ^{(Reply|C|Spam Me!*)} 01:18, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I cited all the sources I could find ;] Thanks for the suggestion, again ;] --VileRage ^{(Reply|C|Spam Me!*)} 01:52, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I hope you don't mind that I've got a lot to say as I've read over the article carefully and a number of ideas have come to my mind. The comments are divided by section:

Overall issues: The article has a vaguely-American perspective that is unfortunately all too common in our articles. While pizza delivery as-we-know-it certainly has its origin and most popularity and cultural significance in the U.S., we really do need to cover it more in other parts of the world. Perhaps there should be an appeal put out on WP:RD for help with this. It seems most of the sources cited were found through a google web search; some more comprehensive stuff on the history of the business could probably be found through google's book search or a periodical search you can probably get access to at your local library.

History: The anecdote on Queen Margherita should be mentioned for what it is, a popular story about the origin of 'pizza margherita' that could (barely) be construed as pizza delivery; there's no need to take a direct quote from some random website about it (incidentally, the quote doesn't appear to actually match wording on that website anyway). "Modern pizza delivery began after World War II when many pizzerias were opened by soldiers who had encountered the dish while fighting in Italy."— what is the source for this? Surely many pizzerias were opened long before WWII by Italian Americans. The large national pizza companies in the U.S. seem mostly to have been founded by non-Italians, but I don't see any evidence of how this is connected to WWII veterans. There should perhaps be something more (there already is a bit) on what makes pizza so delivery-amenable, and how in the U.S. it is really one of two "traditional" delivered dinners- with the other of course being American Chinese cuisine. We really need more on the development of the corporate delivery business model and the extent to which it has spread outside the U.S.

Delivery process: We could probably have some more on the competitive nature of rival time guarantees a few years back. There could also be expansion on efforts toward pizza delivery unionism. The discussion of pizza boxes belong not in the 'Time guarantees' subsection, but somewhere connected to the 'Hotbags' subsection.

Hazards: We shouldn't take a quote from a media article about a Bureau of Labor Statistics report. Instead we should look up and take the findings direct from government report itself, which I'm sure is online somewheres. There is rather too much on the bizzare Brian Wells case; while this deserves a very brief mention, there should be more on general hazards. Real-life 'pranks' should be discussed in this section rather than in 'Popular culture'.

Popular culture: These sections are always the most difficult to organize. I can only say that it's generally best to discuss these thing by theme; ie. 'pranks', delivery guarantees etc. The Everquest II bit probably belongs up in the 'Delivery process' section with a brief discussion of other methods of electronic ordering. I wonder if it's worth mentioning that the pizza delivery-as-game are probably all in the Paperboy traditon.

Military culture: Is there actually such a thing as 'Pizza delivery in military culture' or was this section just created to group these two items? The Gulf War anecdote seems interesting; has this happened at the starts of other military operations or other events? The Minuteman silo reminds me of bomber-bay humor; are there any other examples of using a pizza delivery analogy in this sort of thing?

Law enforcement: Have there been any famoous cases where some was arrrested by a police officer disguised as a pizza delivery person?

--Pharos 03:02, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I added a section about pizza delivery in The Sims 2. Otherwise, pretty well written, although you might want a picture of a delivery man. Boy, this topic sure makes me hungry. :-P Bibliomaniac15 03:32, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The first (and sufficient) reason for not having this as a featured article is the triviality of the information that it presents. Its exclusive focus on American pizza delivery (criticized above) certainly has a large contribution to such a perception for a reader that is at least vaguely familiar with that aspect of American life (and as the article notes, there is sufficient coverage of pizza delivery in pop culture so that such a general familiarity is present internationally). I would suggest changing the title to "Pizza Delivery in America". --Slavy13 03:32, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

There should probably be some mention (maybe in the hazzards section) about the unwillingness of certain chains to deliver to certain neighborhoods. A sort of "pizza-redlining" if you will. I grew up in a racially integrated neighborhood in St. Louis and some chains would deliver, others wouldn't. One would deliver on the block over, but not our street. It was a topic that made people's blood boil. TMS63112 19:34, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm wondering if it may assist this article to merge it into "Food Delivery" as a whole. Why just Pizza? Many types of restaurants deliver food, and would be able to add to this article. I ask this because I wonder if the focus is more on the delivery of the Pizza, which is no different than the delivery of any food, or the Pizza itself, which should be at Pizza. This article is a perfect example of how a potential afd candidate(if this was a stub, there'd be a good chance of its deletion) being lifted to something better by alot of good work. Excellent job in terms of length so far here, now it's time to look at style. karmafist 10:59, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]