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Mount Carmel East

I would like an experienced editor to look at the article to see how it reads to someone new. I have had an unexpectedly enormous amount of help from other experienced editors recently and I am trying to put the advice I have received into practice. I am open to all nitpick-y feedback, formatting, organization/layout, images, references, etc. I would like to raise the standard of the article as high as possible and would welcome any suggestions for improvement. Thank you in advance, Sixflashphoto (talk) 00:18, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Comments from Ceranthor

• "Mount Carmel East is a primary care hospital serving the east side of Columbus, Ohio" - fine, but I think you should add "the city" before "of Columbus, Ohio", since it's not a super well-known city to international audiences
• "part of Mount Carmel Health System, which was founded in 1886 by the Sisters of the Holy Cross." - This should be moved to a second sentence, perhaps starting with "It is... [part of...]"
• "Opening in 1972 being immediately accessible off Interstate 270 and greatly expanding since," - too many gerunds, for one. Also, they make the meaning ambiguous; are you trying to say that it opened immediately off Interstate 270? How would it greatly expand from that? I think you're trying to say that the hospital has greatly expanded, but you're combining too many ideas, which confuses me as to what you're actually trying to convey.
• "it has become the largest hospital in the Mount Carmel Health System network" - this should be combined with the previous mention of "great expansion"

  Four points above is done I believe. -- Sixflashphoto (talk) 16:35, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

• "U.S. News & World Report regionally ranked Mount Carmel East and West Hospitals at number 18 in Ohio and high performing in four areas.[6]" - if you could clarify the actual meaning of these rankings, that would help readers understand what these distinctions mean
• "Mount Carmel East offers many specialties and services within its grounds." - offering many specialties makes it sound like it trains people for those specialties, rather than offering treatment from specialists, which is what I assume you mean
• "Since 2003 it has a dedicated Heart Center." - what's a "dedicated" heart center?
• "This expansion is scheduled to last until 2019, and will be a reconstruction of the original structure." - clunky; might be better as "This expansion, which consists of a reconstruction of the original structure, is scheduled to last until 2019"
• " and quality of the services offered are focused upon in this expansion." - focused upon? I think it should be focused on, or emphasized
• "The land that would eventually become Mount Carmel East was purchased in 1908, and when construction began it required five years of work" - the second half has more words than necessary; better as "construction took five years"
• "In 2003 the Mount Carmel East to" - is the to intentional?
• "dedicated Heart Center" - same note as above; what does this mean?

  Above points are addressed I do believe. Opinions more then welcome. -- Sixflashphoto (talk) 17:26, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

• "The main entrance and emergency room are planned to be heavily reconstructed as well." - any idea how? details are helpful if available

  I added the small amount of detail I have been able to source. Other then design drawings and what I see driving by there is not much verifiable information on the plan for the entrance or ED reconstruction. -- Sixflashphoto (talk) 18:16, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

• "This modernization of the entire hospital is nI added the small amount of detail I have been able to source. Other then design drawings and what I see driving by there is not much verifiable information on the plan for the entrance or ED reconstructionot planned completed by the end of 2019.[7]" - not sure what you're trying to say here.

  Done. Inadvertent word removed and clarified. -- Sixflashphoto (talk) 18:16, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

• "a stent-capable catheterization laboratory," - should probably clarify stents and catheterizations, since non-medical people may not be familiar with these terms

  I added links to proper en:wp pages. If I tried to explain it in the article it could become quite verbose. Is this sufficient? -- Sixflashphoto (talk) 18:01, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

• "Free tours of the facilities are offered for expecting families during pregnancy." - any citation for this?

  Done. -- Sixflashphoto (talk) 17:40, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

• Since the rest of the section is in prose, I'm not sure how the list fits into the rest of the section

  I can understand that but I don't know a better way to show the variety of services and procedures offered. I tried writing it in prose and it just reads clunky. I think a 2 column list is the best way to go about it, but if I'm wrong that's fine and I'm willing to keep trying. -- Sixflashphoto (talk) 17:45, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

• The references for the distinctions should go before the lists, rather than only for the bottom right within each list

  I believe this is done. -- Sixflashphoto (talk) 17:49, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

• "5-storey tower," - previously you said "5 story" and didn't use a dash. keep it consistent throughout

  Done. -- Sixflashphoto (talk) 17:40, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

• "Mount Carmel Medical Group" - don't think this separate section is necessary. The information is relevant, but perhaps it should be included within the history section, or be renamed to Organization or something like that?

  I don't have an issue with moving this to History but there was an issue brought up during a copyedit (info seen on talk page) about the need of a possible disambiguation page or something to differentiate it with a Hospital group in Ireland. This was the compromise that seemed to please everyone but I am certainly willing to change it or keep it. I would only want it to be done properly. So how would you suggest going about this? -- Sixflashphoto (talk) 17:35, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

• More pictures of the hospital should be used throughout the article, rather than mostly in the gallery. And the pictures should be larger; they're tough to see

  The photos we're rearranged into a Gallery in the copyedit and for a bit I didn't mind. As I have expanded the article I can see how it looks rather bare when it comes to photography. I am willing to take new pictures as I had planned to anyway once I get a clear day during this winter. Is there any photography suggestions you might have? It needs not be technical, I'd appreciate any suggestions. -- Sixflashphoto (talk) 17:35, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

I can provide more specific reference comments after these are addressed. ceranthor 02:52, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

@Ceranthor: Thank you for all of those suggestions! I would welcome any other suggestions you may have. -- Sixflashphoto (talk) 18:22, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

@Ceranthor: Would you like to make any other suggestions? I still don't know if this is GA nomination worthy. -- Sixflashphoto (talk) 02:44, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Prose looks better I think. But the references definitely still need some work. I'll try to help later today. ceranthor 16:48, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

• All {{cite web}} templates should have dates of last update, accessdates, and authors if available
• Adding publishers for references is generally required, too
• It looks like bizjournals is a publication of American City Business Journals. You should clarify this, because I didn't think they were a reliable source until I noticed that.

If you need help figuring out any of this, let me know. ceranthor 17:53, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

• @Ceranthor:What do you think of what I have done? -- Sixflashphoto (talk) 09:21, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

  @Ceranthor: I have redone the references entirely I believe. I have also worked on the photography as you originally suggested. What do you think? -- Sixflashphoto (talk) 22:14, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

When I have some time free later today, I'll read through! ceranthor 13:08, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

@Ceranthor:I should let you know I nominated this as a good article nominee. I would appreciate any suggestions or ideas you may have or even if you think it's alright. As my first article I created I've learned so much working with different people on this project. Thank you! -- Sixflashphoto (talk) 00:30, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

@Sixflashphoto: I will do my best. I apologize for my flakiness over the past week or two; I've been overwhelmed with real life events. ceranthor 01:09, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Totally alright. We all know what it's like when real life events come up. Take care -- Sixflashphoto (talk) 03:04, 21 March 2018 (UTC)