Wikipedia:Peer review/List of Tour de France general classification winners/archive1
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I've listed this article for peer review because I believe this list has the potential to become a featured list, it just needs an extra set of eyes to go over it and check for mistakes and what not.
Thanks, NapHit (talk) 22:16, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Brianboulton comments:
- General point: with over 1,000 words of prose, this is an article as much as it is a list. With an existing Tour de France article that includes a lengthy history, and several individual Tour articles, do we need the History section here? Wouldn't it be better to concentrate on the list, rather than draw attention away from it?
- I included the history to try and give an overview of the winners historically, I think it should stay as it is different to the Tour de France article which focuses on the event and winners, this solely focuses on the winners. NapHit (talk) 18:24, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
- Article title: Just a thought – I didn't realise until I read the intro that "general classification winners" meant overall winners, and I wonder if a change in the title might make that clearer, e.g. "List of Tour de France overall winners" or even "yellow jersey winners."
- Comment on comment: Not "yellow jersey winners", because before 1919 there was no yellow jersey to be won. --EdgeNavidad (talk) 21:25, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
- Lead
- Need to fix a number of no-break spaces: 23 days, 20 years, 21 cyclists etc. See WP:NBSP (or look at this edit window)
- Lead, second line: "along with" isn't right: suggest replace with "the others being..."
- "Individual times to finish each stage..." → "Individual finishing times for each stage..."
- "The course changes every year, but it has always finished in Paris and in more recent years along the Champs-Élysées." For a slightly better flow I suggest "The course changes every year, but has always finished in Paris, in more recent years along the Champs-Élysées."
- "Lance Armstrong has won the most Tours; he won seven from 1999 to 2005 consecutively, which is also a record." Needs a bit of sorting out. Suggest: "Lance Armstrong has the most Tour victories, winning seven in a record sequence between 1999 and 2005"
- "Armstrong has won the fastest Tour; he completed the 2005 Tour de France with an average speed of 41.654 km/h." → "Armstrong also has the fastest Tour victory, completing the 2005 Tour de France with an average speed of 41.654 km/h." Note: It is not clear where this information is cited to.
- "Henri Cornet is the youngest winner; he won in 1904, almost 20 years old" → "Henri Cornet is the youngest winner; he won in 1904, just short of his 20th birthday." Note: Again, citation not clear.
- "Firmin Lambot is the oldest winner, he was 36 years, 4 months old when he won in 1922." Replace "he was" with "being".
- History: I have not commented on this section, as I am not at all sure that it is relevant to this list.
- List of winners
- Would it be possible to add a column showing overall distance and/or number of stages for each year, so that a better comparison of performances over the years can be made?
- It's a bit of a waste to have a whole column headed "Notes" with just two entries. The column could be scrapped, and the note indicators placed against the names.
- List by nationality: Suggest change the order and headings of the columns to: Country|No. of wins|No. of winning cyclists. Otherwise the figures are a bit confusing.
The lists look well put together. I am not in a position to comment on their accuracy, but I am sure you have done your work scrupulously. If you can deal with the prose problems you have potentially a fine list here. Brianboulton (talk) 16:14, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for your comments, they have helped a lot, I am just in the process of adding a distance column to the list, thanks once again, any chance you could go over the history section anyway? NapHit (talk) 18:24, 30 August 2009 (UTC)