Wikipedia:Peer review/List of Gillingham F.C. managers/archive1
This list suffers slightly from the fact that Soccerbase data is incompete for the club's early years, I'm currently going through and verifying all the stats with non-Soccerbase sources, but I'd be interested to hear if there's anything else that needs to be amended/improved.
Cheers!!! ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:57, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
- The perennial problem of caretaker managers raises its head again: I'm sure somebody must have been nominally in charge between Summers and Peacock, or Burkinshaw and Richardson, as well as in other inter-regnal periods, but reporting was not as vigourous in those days.
- Some of the dates for early appointments are approximations: if it says 1st of the month, I suspect that can be read as "an unspecified date in the month": those might be my fault.
- Also probably down to me, though I didn't notice it at the time, there is a discrepancy between the data in the seasons article and here. For example: between the war and the end of the 57-58 season, there were 541 league matches according to the seasons article, but Archie Clark only managed 400 games in that period according to this page. Kevin McE (talk) 11:59, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
- The Archie Clark issue can be put down to Soccerbase data not including non-league games - this is covered by the disclaimer at the top. Gaps in Soccerbase's data would also explain the lack of specific dates for appointments. As for the caretakers issue, there's not much we can do in the absence of a reliable source. This is probably only an issue with Burkinshaw, as Summers left and was replaced by Peacock during the close season.... ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:06, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
- Would your Summers-Peacock solution also be applicable to that stressful summer between Flanaghan and Pulis, and so allow the deletion of the rather anomalous appearance of Neil Smillie with no matches to his name? Kevin McE (talk) 13:47, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure from memory that Smillie in fact took over in about March, but as the source contradicts that and that's all we have to go on, I guess he can be taken out..... ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:51, 20 December 2007 (UTC)- This article from the Independent says that Smillie first took charge for the game on Mar 27th 1995. His stats can therefore be worked out from that date..... ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:12, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
- Would your Summers-Peacock solution also be applicable to that stressful summer between Flanaghan and Pulis, and so allow the deletion of the rather anomalous appearance of Neil Smillie with no matches to his name? Kevin McE (talk) 13:47, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
- I've looked up the club's results on Soccerbase and inserted their record between Burky and Damo against "unknown caretaker" (which was actually Burky's assistant Keith Blount if memory serves, but there's no reliable source to quote on that.......ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:12, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
- The Archie Clark issue can be put down to Soccerbase data not including non-league games - this is covered by the disclaimer at the top. Gaps in Soccerbase's data would also explain the lack of specific dates for appointments. As for the caretakers issue, there's not much we can do in the absence of a reliable source. This is probably only an issue with Burkinshaw, as Summers left and was replaced by Peacock during the close season.... ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:06, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
There is also a significant gap between Freddie Cox (who ceased on 1 April 1965) and Basil Hayward (who started on 1 January 1966). --Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 12:52, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
- That is another Soccerbase error, I will correct the dates and stats based on allfootballers.com ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:00, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
- Whoops! - you've now made the gap bigger! Do you mean that Hayward took over on 1 June 1965? --Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 14:47, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
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The article looks good however, I would base on the table on the other List of managers that have reached FL,instead of the current table which you now have, take a look at List of Manchester United F.C. managers to see what I mean NapHit (talk) 16:00, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Done
Neil Smillie was at least still listed as a player while he was manager, was he not, even if he didn't select himself? Does that make him a player manager? If not, you might want to re-phrase the note about being an ex-player who returned to be manager, as he had not left. If the play-off penalty shoot-out deserves a footnote to mention that it is listed as a draw,should the same not be done for the Golden goal defeat to Millwall in the Assoc Members' Cup, and the Paul Haylock penalty shoot out against Brighton in the League Cup? Kevin McE (talk) 13:53, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
- A golden goal defeat is still just a defeat, there's no reason to note that as anything out of the ordinary. I'd somehow contrived to forget about the Brighton match. The best solution might just be to change the Pulis footnote to a general one, which I shall do now..... ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:51, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
- Oh, and the Neil Smillie issue was simply a case of me putting the wrong reference in - now corrected ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:19, 24 December 2007 (UTC)