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List of Athletic Bilbao players

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I've listed this article for peer review; would appreciate help with the lead and other comments.

Thanks, Sandman888 (talk) 11:15, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Brianboulton comments:

• General point on article title: The title you have chosen suggests a complete listing of the club's players, but the list is limited to those with 200 or more appearances, a fact only established in the note just before the table, and then not explained. The title needs amending, possibly to "List of notable Athletic Bilbao players", and there should be a rationale for the cutoff point of 200.
  • This is custom for "List of X players". Rationale not expected as it is an arbitrary cut-off.
• Prose points
  • "Athletic official policy is signing professional players..." should be "Athletic official policy is to sign professional players..."
    • Done
  • The word "Still" which starts the next sentence is redundant. Begin the sentence "In recent times this policy has been somewhat relaxed, and players..." etc
    • Done
  • The information about Telmo Zarra's 333 goals belongs with the rest of the information about him, in the fourth paragraph. It is out of place here.
    • Done
  • "...between 1914 and 1916 as Athletic won the Copa del Rey three times". Suggest comma after "1916", and "when" instead of "as". Thus: "...between 1914 and 1916, when Athletic won the Copa del Rey three times".
    • Done, good one.
  • "the very first" - "very" is unnecessary
    • Done
  • "hat-trick" needs explaining or linking
    • Done, wl
  • "Today the La Liga top-scorer is declared the Pichichi in his honour." Is he "declared" the Pichichi, or is that the name of the trophy he receives? Also, rather than saying "today",which is inspecific as to time, it would be better to say "Since 1928-29..."
    • Clarified.
  • "In 1928 Athletic joined La Liga in its inauguration year, and has currently (as of March 2010) played for 82 years in the Spanish top-tier." Another misplaced sentence, which ought to be merged into the last sentence of the first paragraph.
    • merged.
  • "until he retired in 1955" → "before he retired in 1955"
    • Done
• Citations: at present, very few of the facts in the lead are cited to sources. This needs attention
• List: This is generally well presented. A few points:-
  • What is the significance of the date 15 March? Was that the end of the last La Liga season?
    • date it was last updated. I've removed 15 Marchm so it says 2010.
  • It is not clear what club records are held by the players highlighted in green. Where is this information to be found?
    • note section.
  • Captaincy column: is it the case that no player with 200 or more appearances has ever captained the club? I find this almost unbelievable. Am I misunderstanding something?
    • Sorry, I'm awaiting information on this, I meant to include this in the PR req.
  • Image captions refer to "caps". I thought international, rather than club appearances, were awarded caps.
• Images: I recommend that you move one of the images, preferably Iribar, to the lead as a lead image, raised to 300px. I've tried it - it looks good.
  • • okay

That's about it. Please ping my talkpage if you have any questions relating to this review. Brianboulton (talk) 17:19, 18 April 2010 (UTC)