Wikipedia:Peer review/Hugo Chávez/archive2

First peer review

I stumbled across this article while looking through Genetic engineering. We need information about the chronological flow, comprehensiveness of the footnotes, sources, and references. We also need information on the biographical and methodological considerations:

Should the article's flow be strictly chronological, more chronological than it is now, or less ...
Should certain other sections or contents be moved out to daughter articles ...
We need to know how this article compares with respect to the Margaret Thatcher and Noam Chomsky articles ...

We are putting it on the peer review roster for due diligence purposes, before placement on the FAC list. Absolutely all manner of comments from anyone and everyone are welcome. Saravask 06:22, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure where should the comments go. Right here in this same page, or here: Featured article candidates/Hugo Chávez. Please clarify. I certainly will comment. --Anagnorisis 03:04, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for the confusion, Anagnorisis. This article will not be put up for FAC for several days (until a peer review or two are completed). Just put your comments here. I removed the confusing and inappropriate FAC template that I stupidly put up from the talk page. Thanks. Saravask 08:06, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The article is comprehensive, but there are several formatting issues that will need to be addressed.

The lead is too long- aim for 3 paragraphs that summarise the content of the article
I think that the internal links to sections within the article make the text harder to read. I have not seen a system like this used in any featured article.
All html links used as references should be listed in the references, please don't pipe links to external websites use a footnote instead.
The text in the election results tables is too small to comfortably read.
Please include some summary text in the cabinet and critisisms sections so that these sections are not empty.
For all fair use images, plesase replace with the {{Non-free fair use in}} template and provide a fair use rationale, see Wikipedia:Image description page for instructions. (This seems to have been done for some, but not all fair use images).

--nixie 05:20, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comments. Now that I see it, you are absolutely right about the excessively long leads. I first saw the internal links in the Christopher Colombus article, but yes, it is not featured, and they will be removed. The references section will be built up with the HTML links. I will look into the images. Thanks again. The Cabinet and Criticisms sections will include summary-style overviews, like you pointed out. Thanks again. And if there are any articles anyone would like me to comment on, I'd be happy to return the favor. Saravask 07:36, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Nixie, I just removed two paragraphs from the lead, thus making it have the three paragraphs that you wanted. I also commented out all the internal links, and they will probably be worked into wikilinks or deleted outright. I am now going to switch the image descriptions. Thanks for your good ideas and policies. Saravask 08:04, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I just increased the font size in all the election box templates. Thanks for the suggestion. Saravask 08:15, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Saravask, the changes have improved the readability of the article significantly. Let me know when you put the last two summary sections in and I will have another read through and copyedit.--nixie 23:08, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've put in the short summary sections that you requested. I also fixed, clarifed rationale for, or removed all problem and unsourced images. I'm now starting to convert all piped links into proper ref/note format. Thanks again. Saravask 23:58, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The article is quite massive at 62kb, are there any summrary sections that could be further summarised? I think presidency, human rights and foreign policy are potentially good candidates for getting the article to a more managable size.--nixie 00:09, 1 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. you are correct. It seems that the average FA article size is around 50 kilobytes (the Albert Einstein article is only 48 kb) Today, I'll shorten the sections you pointed out above. Saravask 00:16, 1 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I just shortened the "Foreign Policy" section by half. More of the suggested summarizations are in progress ... Saravask 00:30, 1 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Second peer review

This article has undergone a first peer review here. All comments and concerns in that peer review were quickly acted upon, except for concerns on article size (despite significant shortenings and summarizations). Peer review information is needed on the comprehensiveness of the article, and what material in the article should be shortened or summarized. Contributors are attempting to make the Hugo Chávez article the only FA that discusses a Latino leader, and only the second FA about an indigenous native heritage leader (after Louis Riel). Information comparing this article to the Riel piece (in terms of scope, depth, comprehensiveness, and structural outlay) would be most appreciated. All comments will recieve a response and will be acted upon quickly (within half a day at most). Thank you. Saravask 01:53, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Spell out the first incident of "MVR", not the second. Spell out "MVR" in the infobox since that is the first thing most people see and most will not know what MVR means. Is the infobox about Hugo Chavez or the office of the president? "Born into a poor family and later earning a record of distinguished military service," is a tense shift (born = past, earning = present). The notes are really hard to keep track of, they can't be numbered? What is the purpose of having them in alphabetical order? What is the deal with references #49?I didn't see any mention of the municipal elections in footnotes 3 or 4 (if this is correct place them after the recall election). What is "situated at the core" supposed to mean? CTV (tell us what that is, don't let the reader get distracted by another article)? The "early 21st century." statement is stretching it, let the historians 20 years from now make that call. In Military Career section: "Throughout his career, Chávez has been heavily decorated.[7]" links to a spanish website, please provide an english reference. Why does the Military Career section spend more time discussing baseball and literature than his military-related activities and decorations? In the Coup of 1992: what is "MBR-200"? Did Chavez lose the election then Chavez go to jail or the opposite? Why do some of the images have a box around the captions? What is CNE? The "1999 – 2002" section is really long. It breaks up the pace of the article. In "2002 – 2004" remind me what "PDVSA and its revenues" is at its first instance, not third. In "2004 – present", I don't understand this sentence "In a nation that once boasted an 80% government-defined poverty rate, where 2% of the populace owns 60% of the land, and where before Chávez a vanishingly low proportion of the $30 billion annual oil revenues are used for social programs." Also, the "military ties with the U.S. Chávez's Venezuela" is there a period in there? The "Foreign policy" section/paragraph is pretty weak. So is the "Cabinet" section/paragraph. In the "Chávez and the Media" section please refernce the "Chávez is mentally ill and that he harbors a "sexual obsession with Castro" bit. He hosts a TV show???? If that is true (no reference) put it in the intro paragraph because that is unique and will make people read further. What is a "homologue"? The "Personal life" can be expanded: when was he divorced? Children birth dates? I'd like to see some analysis between his personal life and his public life. --maclean25 09:38, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]