Wikipedia:Peer review/Competitive debate in the United States/archive1
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I've listed this article for peer review because, having passed GA recently, I plan to bring it to WP:FAC soon. While I have previously gone through the WP:FLC process, this article has substantially more prose and I want to take proper advantage of all resources before nominating it. I'm also pinging @Imzadi1979, who indicated that they might be able to take a look at this article as an FAC mentor.
Thanks, ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)Talk to Me! 16:28, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
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- Comments from Urve
- ThadeusOfNazereth: I don't think this can really support that the TOC is more prestigious than NSDA nationals; that's the opinion of the interviewer, and it's qualified by "the national circuit". I don't think vbriefly is a high quality reliable source. There is no justification/defense of the kritik here, only a rundown of their historical existence and what opponents to them say. It's interesting that there are no citations to Shanara Rose Reid-Brinkley despite authoring several articles and chapters, like:
- Reid-Brinkley, Shanara R. (2017). "Ghetto Kids Gone Good: Race, Representation, and Authority in the Scripting of Inner-City Youths in the Urban Debate League". Argumentation and Advocacy. 49 (2): 77–99. doi:10.1080/00028533.2012.11821781.
- Reid-Brinkley, Shanara R. (2020). "Debating While Black: Wake Work in Black Youth Politics". In Grant, Carl A.; Woodson, Ashley N.; Dumas, Michael J. (eds.). The Future is Black: Afropessimism, Fugitivity, and Radical Hope in Education. Routledge. ISBN 9781351122986.
- Reid-Brinkley, Shanara R. (2019). "Voice Dipped in Black: The Louisville Project and the Birth of Black Radical Argument in College Policy Debate". In Eidsheim, Nina Sun; Meizel, Katherine (eds.). The Oxford Handbook of Voice Studies. Oxford University Press. ISBN 9780199338641.
- Her PhD thesis has been widely cited
- I think the following need to be consulted:
- Woods, Carly S. (2018). Debating Women: Gender, Education, and Spaces for Argument, 1835–1945. Michigan State University Press. ISBN 9781628953381.
- Panetta, Edward; Atchison, R. Jarrod (2019) [2018]. "Recovering and Celebrating Controversy: Justifications for Intercollegiate Policy Debate for the 21st Century". In Lake, Randall (ed.). Recovering Argument. Routledge. ISBN 9781315100869.
- Probably all that I'll comment. Urve (talk) 03:40, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
- Appreciate the comments - I can look into Reid-Brinkley and see what can be added/reworked - I recall having "Ghetto Kids Gone Good" in my reading list and can't remember why it wasn't used. I have yet to be able to get my hands on a copy of Debating Women for a reasonable price and my library refuses to get a copy via ILL so that's still up in the air, but I am aware of it. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)Talk to Me! 04:43, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
- You may have better luck requesting just chapter 1 and the conclusion, which are probably the more important ones. (My library generally lets me request two chapters.) My institution has a copy so I might edit the article later, but I have a lot on my plate. The value of Reid-Brinkley and Woods, as I see it, is that they provide a narrative that is somewhat at odds with the article. Woods: Of course, women have a long history of being involved in debate, which we don't discuss in detail. Reid-Brinkley: That "performance" and the kritik can actually be thought of as direct confrontations with the resolution, and some good historical information. I haven't looked at the Recovering Argument chapter, but it might similarly give us a way to write about debate controversies and their modern resolutions. (Aside: Look through some newspapers for "Phi Alpha Tau". I think it's older than 1908.) Urve (talk) 05:20, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for that tip, I will see if that makes a difference! I completely agree about their value, especially Reid-Brinkley. Looking at newspaper results, it looks like Phi Alpha Tau was started in 1904 - I'll update the article accordingly! ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)Talk to Me! 17:31, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
- You may have better luck requesting just chapter 1 and the conclusion, which are probably the more important ones. (My library generally lets me request two chapters.) My institution has a copy so I might edit the article later, but I have a lot on my plate. The value of Reid-Brinkley and Woods, as I see it, is that they provide a narrative that is somewhat at odds with the article. Woods: Of course, women have a long history of being involved in debate, which we don't discuss in detail. Reid-Brinkley: That "performance" and the kritik can actually be thought of as direct confrontations with the resolution, and some good historical information. I haven't looked at the Recovering Argument chapter, but it might similarly give us a way to write about debate controversies and their modern resolutions. (Aside: Look through some newspapers for "Phi Alpha Tau". I think it's older than 1908.) Urve (talk) 05:20, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
Query from Z1720
[edit]@ThadeusOfNazereth: It has been over a month since the last comment on this PR. Are you still interested in receiving comments? If so, I suggest posting requests on the Wikiprojects attached to this article. If not, can you close this? Thanks. Z1720 (talk) 15:57, 28 May 2023 (UTC)