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Bolivarian diaspora

I would like to determine the quality and grading of this article since the topic at hand, the Bolivarian diaspora, is becoming more prominent in international media. Any suggestions would be welcome as well.

Thanks, --ZiaLater (talk) 16:53, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

I have made a couple of slight changes and will probably continue to do so over time. For starters, I added a Venezuela topics navigation template and moved both navigation templates to the bottom of the article, below the reference list, to be more in tune with the manual of style (and because I think it looks better).

Also, I also expanded the See also section to include links to relevant articles (which are already linked to in the article itself) for a better overview.

Finally, I removed the Europe section and Spain subsection from the Destinations section entirely, because it contained no text and was just an ugly floating header.

It's a good article all in all, but a bit big perhaps, which can make it seem daunting. It doesn't look inviting to read. I personally think the article would benefit from being condensed. Come to think of it, I think it might be better in general for all of the articles on the subject of the current political situation in Venezuela to be condensed, with a possible merger or two. I'm curious about your thoughts on this. --Jay D'Easy (talk) 18:14, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

@Jay D'Easy: What do you think should be condensed? 75,000 bytes does not seem too large, but I'd like to see what you think.----ZiaLater (talk) 20:56, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

@AhmadLX: @Mdob: @Originalmess: Would you mind taking a look?----ZiaLater (talk) 06:10, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Comments by AhmadLX

Hi there. I will add points below as I read the article:

• Why is word "diaspora" in the title? Why not, for example, "Bolivarian Refugee Crisis"?
• "....due to the establishment of their Bolivarian Revolution". Only linking Bolivarian Revolution here is not enough, one sentence should describe wht is it.
• 2nd paragraph from the lead should be removed and something more useful should be added, such as causes and consequences.
• "Venezuelans have been often asked in polls if they desired to leave their native country". This sentence should be changed, deleted or integrated into next sentence.
• History section begins "In the 20th century, Newsweek explains that......". Newsweek article is in reference and that is enough. Why should we mention every time "Newsweek says", "according to Newsweek". This article is not about the Newsweek article, so it should talk more about the subject and less about Newsweek.

There are several similar problems. My English is not great. Maybe requesting copy-edit at WP:GOCE will help. AhmadLX (talk) 15:35, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

@AhmadLX: Here is the list of what you asked:

• Why is word "diaspora" in the title? Why not, for example, "Bolivarian Refugee Crisis"?  Not done – This is the formal name given in some sources. This could possibly change though.
• "....due to the establishment of their Bolivarian Revolution". Only linking Bolivarian Revolution here is not enough, one sentence should describe wht is it.  Done – Gave a better explanation.
• 2nd paragraph from the lead should be removed and something more useful should be added, such as causes and consequences.  Partly done – Merged the consequences into the paragraph.
• "Venezuelans have been often asked in polls if they desired to leave their native country". This sentence should be changed, deleted or integrated into next sentence.  Done – It was integrated.
• History section begins "In the 20th century, Newsweek explains that......". Newsweek article is in reference and that is enough. Why should we mention every time "Newsweek says", "according to Newsweek". This article is not about the Newsweek article, so it should talk more about the subject and less about Newsweek.  Done – Removed similar wording in the article as well.

Let me know if you have any other concerns. Thanks for your help!----ZiaLater (talk) 03:40, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Comments by Originalmess

Agree with Ahmad that the copy editors would be able to help more, just stylistically. I know there's a random space between two in text refs, so I ran autoformatter and hope that'll clear it up. The intro could do with clearer approximate start date than "20th century". In terms of condensing, that's an intimidating table of contents lol. You could remove the Florida header and condense the text of it into the USA section. There's many, many sections that have a ton of direct quotations, so maybe paraphrase those to be shorter. You could merge the Trinidad & Tobago and Aruba/Curacao sections under one "Carribean" header. Under response, maybe change the mini section headings to just bold, especially since one section is just a sentence. I might try to implement these and condense text if I have time. originalmess^{how u doin that busta rhyme?} 23:04, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Alright, I've made a bunch of these edits, feel free to revert any of them, but I feel like I've made some sections more clear and concise. I have big questions on 1) why is it called the Bolivarian diaspora when it's Venezuelans fleeing? and 2) why Petróleos de Venezuela, S.A. (PDVSA) needs its own section instead of being integrated into "Industry". Also, shouldn't the whole Industry section be merged with economy? I'll probably change that, although again, feel free to revert. The education section also might not need sub headers if it's re-written well. Also, it's not the byte size that's really so big, it's really just the giant table of contents that originally took up a macbook screen and a half plus some redundant wording. All relatively easy fixes. originalmess^{how u doin that busta rhyme?} 00:13, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

@Originalmess: Would you mind taking a look now? I've made some further edits.----ZiaLater (talk) 03:40, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

@ZiaLater: Great, looks good as far as I can see! Imo the table of contents is still really long, but the article is well organized. You should definitely submit it to WP:GOCE for copyediting if you haven't already! (And mention that you're preparing it for a GA nom). originalmess^{how u doin that busta rhyme?} 20:14, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

@Originalmess: Thank you! Will submit it soon!----ZiaLater (talk) 22:22, 1 August 2018 (UTC)