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The article is currently undergoing some major changes to bring it up to a higher level of quality. Input would be appreciated about what content is relevant and what content is not, how to best section certain blocks of information, etc. If you can, if a peer reviewer has already made a suggestion you had in mind, make another suggestion to cover a different aspect of the article. We are open to new ideas. --Erik (talk/contrib) @ 17:26, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Trim previous Batman projects into the Development section. The Batmobile section should be turned into a 'Design' section too. You need more refs too: raid the external links. Wiki-newbie 17:56, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The influences section, in particular, needs cites. There are a couple of one sentence paragraphs that could be linked into nearby ones. In the plot description, however, the paragraphs might be a bit long and could do with being broken up. Could the soundtrack get its own page and the track listing go there? And I agree with the suggestion to merge cancelled projects somewhere else; I'm not sure it belongs in this article. The lead could do with being slightly longer too. But it's shaping up well as an article. Trebor 18:56, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Well the article is coming along quite well, but I have a few quick notes; Any sale figures/reviews for the soundtrack? The video-game section seems unecessary, I think it be better off in a see also section and just mentioned in Response. Since the section is so small it kind of breaks visual layout. Sequals could also be just merged, and mention in Response, example "The film box office sales guaranteed a contract for two sequals from the producers." I encourage such merges because the article should be devoted to the movie itself, not side tracking into related information. Besides thats what the video game article and soon-to-be sequal articles are for. - Tutmosis 23:47, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Here's my two cents.
    • "The film notably uses a higher number of practical special effects than most big-budget mainstream films." - I find this a bit clumsy. Perhaps change to "Notably, the film uses..." or "The film is noted for...".
And this definitely needs citing - who has noted this? Trebor 17:18, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • "and was a reboot to the superhero's film franchise" - shouldn't this be "a reboot of"?
    • "It tells the origin story of the character as he takes on crime for the first time in Gotham." - for me, this is clumsy.
    • All three lead paragraphs begin with "Batman Begins".
    • There should be citation regarding: the special effects, the fact that it is a darker film, and general praise.
    • "The film opens with a young Bruce Wayne falls down a well where he is attacked by bats." - tense is all over the place here, specfically regarding "falls down a well".
    • "Years later Bruce awakens from this nightmare" - you should change this for clarification purposes. Perhaps "in the next scene, Bruce awakens, making it apparent that the well episode was a nightmare of his"
    • "Ra's al Ghul leader of the League of Shadows." - a comma is needed between Ra's al Ghul and leader, to clarify meaning.
    • "younger man" - perhaps this should say "young man" or "young Wayne".
    • I'm going to stop fine-tooth-combing the Plot section here. I advise you carefully read the whole thing and give it a thorough copy-edit. As a side-note, "gotten" is strictly American English, and is not generally considered formal enough for encyclopaedic use.
    • In Cast, it would be useful to wiki-link "canon".
    • Some of Development reads as a little 'listy', with sentences beginning with "in September 2003" etc. - slightly altering these would greatly improve the prosaic flow.
    • In Reception, it might be interesting to include some specific highlights picked out by critics. At the moment it reads a little on the monetary side. It would be nice to have some opinions on characters, themes, ambience and so on.
    • The HD-DVD external link needs to be turned into a reference.
    • I can't help but feel that the order of paragraphs is a little odd. Departure from Canon seems a bit adrift; you could move it closer to Plot, or Design. Likewise, Design and Plot should probably be kept together. I advise keeping all the information about the movie-world in one chunk, so the reader can more easily distinguish between reality and Gotham, so to speak. I'd advise specifically: Plot, Departure from Canon, Design - in that order. But I'm not the expert.

I might've been a little anal about one or two things here, but overall I'd say this is a very good article. I think you need to focus on the prose in Plot, and maybe to expand upon Reception to offer a more in-depth analysis. Anyway, I hope I've been some kind of help. Seegoon 15:38, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your suggestions! Hopefully we can clean up the Plot section further using your suggestions and expand the Reception section as well. The original content of the Reception section was full of weasel words, so that was purged. We'll address the other suggested changes you've made as well. Much appreciated! --Erik (talk/contrib) @ 15:45, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think the Design section can stay where it is: it compliments the Production. Wiki-newbie 16:38, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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