Wikipedia:Peer review/Atlantic City–Brigantine Connector/archive1
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I've listed this article for peer review because I would like to nominate it for an FA review. It is currently a GA-status article and has undergone many improvements since its promotion 10 years ago. Thanks, –Dream out loud (talk) 11:16, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
- I'll take a look here. Daniel Case (talk) 18:12, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
- OK ... my copy edit trimmed the article by almost 2K, which usually means it was necessary, and indeed there was a lot of excess verbiage—peoples' names (and job titles) used in full on multiple references no matter how recent the last reference, more relative pronouns used when not necessary, and a lot of prepositional-phrase constructions where single adjectives or participles would do. You can look at the diffs for details; if there's anything I shouldn't have changed let me know.
- That said, it's a pretty complete article that is justifiably a GA. I learned what the intro promised I would learn.
- You indicated in your nom that you are looking to get this to FA eventually. I looked at the original FAC for this article from over a decade ago (I know the nominator, actually, or I should say I've met him at a few events); I don't think anything from that one really needs to be addressed, not least because it was quick-failed and indeed you yourself did not think it was ready. I don't know about now, though.
- It's good but it's kind of shorter than most FAs, which wouldn't necessarily keep it from getting that gold star. I see two areas where you can expand it some more, both in the history section:
- In a single sentence, we go from the plans first being brought up in the mid-60s to the decision to start actually building the road in the 1990s when Wynn wanted to build that casino at the marina. I took out the part where the article mentioned that there had been several efforts to build the connector in those 30 years because it wasn't relevant in an article this short.
But the article doesn't have to be that short, and frankly why the connector plans didn't go through until the third or fourth try, with a particularly big business interest behind it, is relevant in a longer, more researched history.
In the mid'60s AC was a faded beach resort city that had seen its better days. No one would have imagined casinos there within two decades. And no one saw a need for a connector road to Brigantine.
Was there an effort to revive the plans in the years after 1978? Why or why not? And why did it not succeed at the time if it could only have helped the city's rebirth?
A deep dive into this era's history could tell us a lot of interesting stuff. Sometimes, in politics, the real story is what didn't happen and why.
- In a single sentence, we go from the plans first being brought up in the mid-60s to the decision to start actually building the road in the 1990s when Wynn wanted to build that casino at the marina. I took out the part where the article mentioned that there had been several efforts to build the connector in those 30 years because it wasn't relevant in an article this short.
- Oops, I gotta go. Be back in a while with more. Daniel Case (talk) 22:58, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
- The other thing we could read more about, I think, is the decline of the boardwalk casinos. Doubtless the connector has something to do with that, but ... is it all the connector's fault that in 2016 there are half as many boardwalk casinos as there were in 2000? During that time a lot more gambling options became available in the Northeast—Turning Stone, Mohegan Sun etc. Surely that played some role?
- Two more things:
- Since it's such a short road, I think the article might be helped by a video. I suppose a dashcam-type POV single-take vid would do since it is such a short road (I've made a couple of these myself), but I'd love to see a road-article video that looks like it was made by someone who understands how to edit, how to make a film, basically—with intercut scenes showing the view from the sides, traffic passing by the equivalent point on the road, and maybe maps indicating where the vehicle is along the road.
- Also, the article makes regular reference to these various districts of AC: Marina, Midtown, Broadwalk, Westbeach. Where do these terms come from? We have no Neighborhoods of Atlantic City, New Jersey article, so I can't see if these are common terms; indeed a small city of 40,000 does not usually have a lot of neighborhoods known by name, if any, in my experience. Are these terms used by the city's planning department, perhaps? (They sound like names a planning department would come up with, frankly) It would be helpful to know.
- Good luck with the FAC, whenever it happens, and happy editing. Daniel Case (talk) 23:45, 11 February 2020 (UTC)