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Thing(s) to remember:

  • If a task is completed, do NOT delete it, but strike it. This page will be archived if full.

Archives

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I'm going to setup auto archiving on middle-earth talk pages for anything older than 90 days. I'm going to use Aragorn's talk page as a test bed to make sure everything works ok, if it goes well I will move on to the other talk pages, unless anyone has any objection? Carl Sixsmith (talk) 07:44, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Requests

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Babel

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In the past I have tried to set up Babel userboxes for Sindarin, but only succeeded in making a big mess of it. Is anyone willing/able to take on this task? ▫ Urbane Legend talk 09:25, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It would require the creation of Template:User sjn (as per ISO 639-3) and Template:User sjn-1 to Template:User sjn-5, possibly also Template:User sjn-0; with 'This user speaks Sindarin at a foo level' in Sindarin, with 'foo' for all the separate levels. Since I qualify as below a functional sjn-1 I can't do this. -- Jordi·✆ 13:41, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Is it possible for anyone to speak Sindarin at level 5? With the partial incompleteness of Sindarin (as all Tolkien's languages are incomplete) I would think it impossible to speak or even write/read at level 5. Of course, I may be wrong as I am not that knowledgeable in Tolkien's languages (yet). If I am wrong please correct me. --Merond e 10:34, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. While there has been alot of research on Sindarin and resulting theories about its structure I'd say that the current upper limit is about 3. Nobody knows Sindarin at a 'near native' level of 4 - even with speculative expansions incorporated. We might get there eventually as more unpublished language samples are released, but probably not. I'm somewhere around a 'low 2'. If no one else wants to take a go I'll piece something together and run it past a few linguists I know. --CBD 11:22, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
What about "This man speaks Edhellen": Dîr pêd i lam edhellen? I hope I got everything correct... quite sure about the '(he) speaks elvish language' bit but I am not sure if dîr ("man" of any race, closest we have to "person") takes a suffix here. Edhellen is of course the "native" name for Sindarin. -- Jordi·✆ 11:44, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Template:User sjn-1 and Template:User que-1 now exist. -- Jordi·✆ 09:13, 30 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm in the middle of fixing an issue with them that rendered sjn-0 incompatible with the Babel box. I fixed that but inadvertently wrecked the category. I'm trying to fix that now. -moritheilTalk 07:37, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Figured it out. Normal service has been resumed. I recreated the sjn-0 userpage as it's been days since I asked the deleting admin if it should stay deleted, and there has been no reply. The page was already accumulating entries anyhow. -moritheilTalk 07:51, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Article-related Tasks

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Creation

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Misc.

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Texts by Tolkien

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Books

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Award winners: Over on my talk page, Carcharoth and I have been discussing criteria for which Tolkien reference works should have their own articles. We suggest that any JRRT nonfiction book that won the Mythopoeic Scholarship Award for Inklings Studies or a Hugo, etc., is probably a candidate for an article. Let's use the Template:Infobox Book for these as they grow out of stub class.

Here's the list of Mythopoeic award winners Carcharoth posted there for which we do not have articles:

-- PKM 22:47, 3 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Less significant books? The article on Buffy studies has an interesting approach to listing books under a topic - would this work (without links) as a format for listing works that do not merit a full article? - PKM 19:44, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Journals

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Artists

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Topics

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Scholars

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Publishers

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Societies

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Adaptations

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Expansion

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Citing (Sources)

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Extensive work

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Articles that have following—fancruft, copyvios, copyedits, point of view, etc.—go under this section.

I am wondering whether he is worth a seperate article Bryan 14:37, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I do not think he is worth a separate article. I think he should redirect to another page. Does he have any significance whatsoever? Nuidramdad (talk) 23:57, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I can't even remember hearing about him before now - I'd delete the article (there is an old deletion request further down the page BTW), or merge it into a list of minor people. It's almost certainly not notable; some of the supporters of the WT:Notability (fiction) proposal would pass out if they saw it I'm sure:) NOTE: I moved the page to Ceorl (Middle-earth), as there are several other terms that people are more likely to be looking for at that title. Ceorl now redirects to Ceorl (disambiguation). –The Fiddly Leprechaun · Catch Me! 03:40, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Gondolin is a mixture of information from the Silmarillion and the Book of Lost Tales 2. The descriptions from both books must be clearly marked out and separated, and comments should be included about the development and changes in ideas, wherever possible. De728631 (talk) 23:01, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Enhancing

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Articles that are generally good, but need few touches here and there to raise to Featured Article or Good Article status.

i'll get to work on these as soon as i can.man im glad i found wikiproject middle-earth!mrs.sauron 05:35, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

General work

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Anything that doesn't go under above and below.

I agree entirely. Has this been added to the list of things to do? Carcharoth 12:40, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Done. --CBDunkerson 09:37, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly, I think this article is a little pointless. There just isn't enough info/relevence for it to warrent its own article. I think it should be merged with Isengard. --Ted87 18:34, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's an improvement, the current Isengard article breaks the sequence of War of the Ring battles and try to fix that with the other infoboxes, maps etc will look messy. Thu 08:09, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The article is currently listed for merging to List of Middle-earth wars and battles and could need some general cleanup. De728631 (talk) 23:00, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Merging

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Current article Merge into Comments
Damrod, Mablung (Ranger) List of Middle-earth Men or Rangers of Ithilien Damrod and Mablung pages cannot be expanded more than they already are, and they are too minor of characters to have their own page. Or we could have redirect to the Rangers of Ithilien page. Comments? —Mirlen 15:32, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think they both should be merged and brief descriptions given on each. Why is Damrod merged but not Mablung? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ted87 (talk • contribs) .
There are two Mablungs. The Mablung article there is about Mablung the elf, not Mablung the Ranger. And, thanks for pointing that out Ted, I merged Damrod into List of Middle-earth Men, because I think that'd be best to place information on each character. —Mirlen 23:42, 30 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Bombur, Dáin I, Dáin II Ironfoot, Durin (all of their respective Durins), Glóin (both Glóins), Ori, Thorin III Stonehelm, Thráin II List of Middle-earth Dwarves The following characters are minor characters whose article cannot be expanded further in terms of content of information. I say we merge it into the List of Dwarves (Middle-earth). —Mirlen 00:52, 31 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know... maybe they will fit under Kings of Durin's folk? Bryan 21:18, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No, because the Kings of Durin's folk isn't a list. A list is a compilation of all minor characters (WP:FICT). --Mirlen 19:34, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
House of Fëanor, House of Fingolfin, House of Finarfin House of Finwë Each family article is not so much in full of content so therefore, they could be merged into one whole article. Besides, House of Finwë is the the more proper term. (And for the family tree template, we should use the one on Finwë's page and delete the {{Fëanor}}, {{Fingolfin}}, and {{Finarfin}} templates. —Mirlen 01:22, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm all for removing some of the redundant family trees and limiting their use to pages on the family (or founder) rather than all members. Kind of like the Tolkien estate article is the only one which includes the Tolkien family tree. --CBDunkerson 01:32, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Then we should the same for the rest of family tree templates as well, which brings me to my next proposal... —Mirlen 01:45, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
House of Isildur, House of Telcontar House of Elendil (Or alternatively, we could have all of them merge into House of Elros Look above. Although, I am rather hesistant about the House of Telcontar, since Aragorn does announce that it should be ever called after the War of the Ring, 'House of Telcontar'... —Mirlen 01:45, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Sons of Fëanor, Daughters of Finwë List of High Elves I think this is pretty self-explanatory. (Of course, there will be a whole lot merging with other articles of the High Elves for minor characters). —Mirlen 03:14, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Crack of Doom Mount Doom It seems superfluous to have a separate article for Crack(s) of Doom and Mount Doom. Alethiophile123 18:14, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. These articles need to be merged. There is no reason to have two separate articles. --Merond e 19:14, 21 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed this already. Crack of doom now focuses on the Shakespearean phrase, while Crack of Doom was merged with and redirects to Mount Doom which User:Ed Poor renamed to Orodruin. Uthanc 20:25, 21 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Various Shire articles (e.g. Marish) Shire (Middle-earth) There are a good number of short articles for various places in the Shire. Would it not be an idea to merge into something like Places of the Shire, there is a Regions of the Shire already. Thu 19:17, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think everything should be merged into Shire (Middle-earth) - there is a lot of material for a nice meaty article (geography, history, literary stuff), but not so much that it can't all fit into one article. Also, it is just the sort of article that Wikipedia can do well, I think. Carcharoth 10:57, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Finally got around to doing this. If I've missed any please feel free to merge them. Thu 14:07, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Eärendur, Eärendur_(Second_Age) Eärendur Both articles mention 2 characters with the name Eärendur. From these articles (and the encyclopedia of Arda) I understand that there are in fact 3 characters with this name.
  • Eärendur, son of Tar-Amandil
  • Eärendur, the brother of Lindórië
  • Eärendur, 10th King of Arnor

Perhaps a single article describing all three characters would be more usefull. M8ram 19:48, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I merged them both into Eärendur, and redirected Eärendur_(Second_Age) to there. --FlamingSilmaril Talk\Contribs 12:00, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Mablung List of Middle-earth Elves Minor character, think he definitley needs sticking in the list of Elves, otherwise he's at risk of deletion. Carl Sixsmith (talk) 21:18, 14 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]




Splitting

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Current article Split into Comments
Himring March of Maedhros Then merge Himring into March of Maedhros. March of Maedhros is a realm of Beleriand, while Himring is a city within March of Maedhros. Therefore, it should be Himring within the March of Maedhros article. Although, I think Himring is expanded enough to earn its own article, so perhaps March of Maedhros should be seperate from Himring. —Mirlen 01:39, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion

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Remember to confirm this. There was no discussion regarding this, so naturally, like for all articles here, it's necessary to confirm that this character is non-notable. --queso man 23:11, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'd support deletion or a merger - see my comment above in the Extensive Work section. NOTE: I moved the page to Ceorl (Middle-earth); Ceorl now redirects to Ceorl (disambiguation). –The Fiddly Leprechaun · Catch Me! 03:43, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Just checking in to see what the status is here. Shall we go ahead and delete Ceorl? I would merge it into an existing list, but since List of Middle-earth Men is now defunct, there's nowhere to really put it. Mdwicker (talk) 21:43, 8 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Went ahead and nominated for deletion. Mdwicker (talk) 23:38, 13 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Conforming to Standards

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  • Just thought I'd put out something I've noticed in browsing a few Tolkien articles, namely the use of personal pronouns in several of them. I suspect some of that may be copyright violations, but some may just be people writing in the style Tolkien occassionally use. Could be worth keeping an eye out for. I hope this is an appropriate place to put it up. FrozenPurpleCube 05:44, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Legolas - Rewrite of introduction of less POV preferred, using dates instead of chapter titles in Biography, switching to past tense, etc. —Mirlen 11:48, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes... This is a totally movie based introduction... Bryan 13:40, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
On a side note there is also some unnecceasry info in the adaption section. If no one gets around to editing this article soon, I'd be willing to. Ted87 19:30, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Intro done - Bryan 13:37, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Good, but it does contain spoilers...that stuff goes in the Biography. For regular articles, you write an overview of the article, but for fictional articles, the introduction should be free of spoilers. —Mirlen 21:36, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I've begun work on this. See discussion below and at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Middle-earth. --Alataristarion 23:41, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Creation

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What do you think? —Mirlen 13:43, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pages already exist for some of this information. See List of Hobbits, List of Middle-earth Men, and Dwarves (Middle-earth). These could use a great deal of additional work. Standardization of the list article names and styles would probably also be a good thing. --CBDunkerson 22:48, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oh sorry, didn't know. Thanks. Okay...I'm going to put in a different format, and I'll see if you guys like it. —Mirlen 16:49, 4 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I could provide some charts for the lists. Ready to publish atm is only "Ainur Relations" but more of these are in progress User:Abalone76 6 Septembre 2007

Comments? —Mirlen 19:23, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Adding note in case anyone missed the discussion below: list already exists at Weapons of Middle-earth. Carcharoth 14:10, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I commented below as well as on the main page regarding this topic. --Alataristarion
This list has been created and is being improved; see below. --Alataristarion 20:59, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merging

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Current list Merge into Comments

Splitting

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Current list Split into Comments
List of Middle-earth Men List of Gondorians, List of Rohirrim, List of Dúnedain, etc. The list of Middle-earth men is WAY too long. I've begun to format it and it'll take a long time for me to finish completing. So, to shorten the task and also for easier accessability, I say we split it. Anyone want to add their comments here? —Mirlen 13:12, 5 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Multiple articles is fine by me, but things we should keep in mind;
  1. The 'List of Men' article should be retained - with links to the various sub-categories and an 'Other' list of any Men whom we don't have a race/nationality/whatever list page for.
  2. Whatever categories we come up with should minimize any possibility of duplication and different versions on different pages. For instance Anarion, Denethor, and others could be listed in both 'Gondorians' and 'Dúnedain'. Even splitting by Arnor/Gondor/Numenor would have some duplicates as, for instance, Isildur could be listed in all three. Any duplicates which do occur should be directed to just one list, or the primary article on the subject if one exists.
  3. A single article allows related items to be linked with just [[#<name>]] rather than [[<article>#<name>]]. This prevents having to update the article names in each link if the target article is moved. Thus, we should try to split the groups to minimize cross-article links. --CBDunkerson 14:10, 5 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
So does this mean you're for it? As for #2, I think we should have characters like Denethor be listed in Dúnedain, rather than Gondorian—to get more specific. —Mirlen 01:58, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I would recommend a strictly geographical division rather than the suggested combination of geographical and ethnical divisions, even if many ethnical boundaries do follow strictly geographical boundaries as well. Geographical regions to consider would be (among others?) Eriador, Wilderland, Gondor, Dunland, Rohan and 'Sauron's dominions' (Umbar, Harad, Rhûn and other lands to the east and south). Some of these might be combined to reduce the number of lists (depending on the level detail wanted). Whether to place e.g. the ancestors of the Rohirrim (e.g. Éorl, Léod and Fram) in Rohan or Wilderland can be discussed, but a strictly geographical division will in any case lead to fewer ambiguities. --Troelsfo 09:45, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I see two problems with geographic divisions; first, mass relocations such as the Numenoreans and Rohirrim (and Noldor if we try to extend this to Elves) would put them in two different categories and second, it would cause Aragorn, Barliman Butterbur, and Bill Ferny to wind up on the same page together. I like one big list with everyone because it can be linked to from smaller 'list of notable Numenoreans (or whatever)' in the individual articles and avoids these classification issues. However, it isn't that big a deal to me. Whatever works. --CBDunkerson 12:12, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, this discussion is getting big. Yeah, I don't think the geographic divisions will work. Wait, so, CBD, you're saying that we could create the cultural/subracial divisions to link to the big general list? Sort of confused there. But I don't think splitting into different subraces will be a problem, The Thain's Book had it done that way without problems, which you can see here. —Mirlen 00:09, 12 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
How about having the following divisions:
  • Numenorean (including Gondor, Arnor)
  • First Age Edain
  • Middle Men (Rohirrim etc)
  • Others
Thu 10:41, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Dwarf (Middle-earth) List of Dwarves (Middle-earth) For standardized purposes, and also, we can expand more on the Dwarves' biography/etc. if we have a list dedicated to the Dwarves like we have for the Hobbits and the Men. —Mirlen 21:19, 26 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
We already have a mini-list in the dwarf article. If we do it for the dwarves we migh as well do it fo the elves too. Ted87 06:02, 28 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Any time a list of all individuals is going to be as long as the rest of the article (or longer) I think it makes sense to split it out. The dwarves will definitely meet that thresh-hold, but (for example) there are few enough Orcs, Ents, Trolls, et cetera that I think lists can be kept in the main article for the race. --CBDunkerson 21:28, 28 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ted, I already proposed the creation of a List of Elves and splitting it into three sections on this page :). And yeah, per CBD, so I'm going to create a List of Dwarves with the standard we've decided. —Mirlen 22:28, 28 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion

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Misc.

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Anything that doesn't go under above.

Minor places in Middle-earth is a random collection of entries, how about refactoring into separate lists e.g.

  • Minor places in Beleriand
  • Minor places in Middle-earth i.e. lands of the Third Age
  • Minor places in Valinor etc

Thu 12:29, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Stubs

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Hi, I expanded Years of the Trees before I stumbled across the WikiProject. I apologize if I was supposed to weigh in here before I did it, please do take a look at the diff. Wanted to know if I could similarly expand the other Ages articles too, or is it too much detail? Now that I'm here, will look around to focus on the Things to Do. Sdsouza 15:41, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Howdy. No problems. Just dive in. I made a few changes on Years of the Trees. Not sure what level of detail we should have. There is also the History of Arda page and the Timeline of Arda. Ideally, we might want the 'History' page to give a brief overview of each period with links to the individual sub-pages for more detailed recountings of events (like you did) and the 'Timeline' separate for all the specific dates. --CBD 23:14, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Categories

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What are you thinking of doing beyond adding the top-level 'Tolkien' category you mentioned previously? From what you'd said I had the impression that was intended as an 'ease of use' category which would have the current Category:J. R. R. Tolkien as a sub-category. You wrote something about a category tree on the talk page linked above. I think that could be useful, but I suspect the branches will change quite a bit going forward. --CBDunkerson 14:37, 2 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I've now added more comments to the talk page referenced above. As for the category tree, I've got stuck with getting the category tree into a suitable form to put on the talk page, I might stick it in my user space instead.
As for what I am thinking of doing, I am mainly considering putting categories in more categories, to create more branches on the tree. Most of the articles seem to be fairly well categorised already. I'll take a closer look, try a few category additions, and then come back here for feedback. I'll try to avoid creating lots of new categories or adding category tags to articles until it becomes clear what is needed. Carcharoth 15:05, 2 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Realms of Aman - requested by someone, now created. Carcharoth 10:11, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Also, for further organisation, Category:Aman towns and cities or just Category:Aman cities, or Category:Cities of Aman. Also, Category:Aman landforms, or Category:Landforms of Aman (e.g. Tirion, Alqualondë, Avallónë, Formenos, Valmar, etc.). I mean, I know every part of Aman is a landform, but a non-city/realm landform (e.g. Taniquetil, Bay of Eldamar, Helcaraxë, Ezellohar, Pelóri, Calacirya, Lorellin, Ungoliant's Lair, etc.). —Mirlen 21:38, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Though sometimes a list, or summary article, is better than a category, especially if the list is small and won't ever need to be updated, or the items in the category won't have their own articles. (You then have to include the list in the category, or link to it from the blurb at the top).
A category is best used for open-ended lists, or very long lists. Also, getting the naming conventions right ('Cities of Aman' (my preference) vs 'Aman cities') saves a lost of hassle with getting them renamed (you have to ask someone else to do it). Also, rather than the "landform" terminology, which doesn't quite work, just something simple like "Named places in Aman" is usually good enough, which then has subsets as needed. Carcharoth 07:46, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Templates

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I just want to clarify this suggestion and see if any one else has thoughts on it. I assume you mean get rid of the trees as templates that are shared across the various character pages and instead post them only once on family pages (e.g. House of Elendil, thereby eliminating the need to store/save them as templates. If this is the desire/consensus, I'd definitely be willing to do it. --Alataristarion 21:44, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I updated the {{Tolkien}} template including more information and making it much more readable Alataristarion 21:44, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
There is already a Weapons of Middle-earth article, which seems to follow the template quite closely. Carcharoth 10:14, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, then it needs to be standardised. —Mirlen 21:35, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I've started the process of standardization and improvement for the Weapons of Middle-earth article. --Alataristarion 23:25, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I have standardized and added references to the first and largest section of the list. In addition, I have created the List of Middle-earth weapons page and redirected the Weapons of Middle-earth page to this new location. This very clearly seems to be a list, not a standard article, and this seems the logical naming convention to follow. Alataristarion 20:41, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
What would need to be done in order to remove this template and replace it with the (newly standardized) list? Is that the consensus? --Alataristarion 22:09, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Images

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