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September 8

Article deleted

I submitted an article that was factually correct and it has been deleted. How do I get the article put back on to wikipedia? The article concerned a man named John Kimble. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by LittleReddog (talk • contribs) 01:29, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

The article was probably not notable, he isn't even on the first links on google except the, now deleted, article by you, see [1]. Jeffrey.Kleykamp 01:34, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

There was also consensus to delete the article because of his lack of notability, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Kimble. Jeffrey.Kleykamp 01:36, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) :This article has been deleted several times and has now ben protected to prevent its recreation. The discussion that led to its deletion can be found at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Kimble. The [logs show] that it has been deleted and protected by User:Sandahl. If you have reason to believe that he conforms to the Notability guidelines then contact the administrator to see whether he thinks he should be recreated. Woodym555 01:38, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Jude Stringfellow

I am a book editor for a company where author Jude Stringfellow has published three books. I am trying to make her a Wikipedia page, but I'm not sure I'm doing it correctly. First of all, I signed up Stringfellow rather than myself not realizing that they wanted MY address, and she accepted the invitation. I didn't know I was making her a page at the time. So it is under jstringfellow. I would like that fixed so she is not the one making the page.

I wish to add her to your site. She is an author and national key-note speaker. I wish to do this correctly. Please go to the area and see if I am doing it correctly. If I am, please post it. I would also like to add her biography sections such as her date of birth, things like that, but don't know how. Thanks. You can write me at: email redacted —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jstringfellow (talk • contribs) 01:57, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

As you state you are an editor in the company that publishes her, you should read our conflict of interest guidelines. As for writing a biography on her, be sure she satisfies our notability policy and guidelines on biographies of living persons.

Someone else may be able to explain how to get the account name changed, or it may be better to just create a new account of your own. -- 68.156.149.62 12:43, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

You need to cite third-party references for everything you've said in the article. Nothing there is backed up by sources, and it sounds like a press release. -Wooty [Woot?] [Spam! Spam! Wonderful spam!] 00:44, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

US Petrochemical

I created a page for US Petrochemical and it was deleted twice.

I listed it in the name of Houston Companies. It was not spam and it was in the same category of the other companies listed amongst Houston Companies. If this was spam why is Wikipidia not deleting the other companies? And as a Energy Trading Company it had more relevance to the Houston economy exporting millions of dollars of products from refineries in Texas and creating jobs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1hotrod (talk • contribs) 02:48, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Please see Why was my page deleted?.-- 68.156.149.62 12:35, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Looking into it further, the article was first deleted as spam, then deleted again with the note: Speedy deleted per (CSD a7), was an article about a company or corporation that didn't assert the importance or significance of its subject. This means your article did not show how the company satisfies our notability policy, more specifically the guidelines at WP:CORP. -- 68.156.149.62 12:40, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

research

Im trying to find who to ask about why my additions to a page keep getting deleted though it is factual and documented information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaipate (talk • contribs) 03:19, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I assume you mean the addition of Jai Pate to September 15. The page is intended for people considered notable by Wikipedia. There are only 15 Google hits on "Jai Pate".[2] See also Wikipedia:Conflict of interest before making edits about yourself. PrimeHunter 03:31, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

In general, when adding people to a list such as that, it's expected that they have existing articles on Wikipedia. Please also make sure that the person you are adding is notable and the the information you are adding is confirmed with reliable sources. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 03:31, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

That's funny, why didn't that get an edit conflict? Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 03:32, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

On a side note, if you want to be wished a happy birthday on your birthday by fellow editors, I'd suggest you take a look at the Birthday Committee's page and add yourself to their calendar. Cheers, Arky ^¡Hablar! 03:36, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Adding rows to existent tables

How do you add a row to an already existent table? (For example, if I want to add an episode to the episode guide of The Suite Life of Zack and Cody, how do I do it. I've been using the keyboard codes and shortcuts the exact same way they are in the previous rows, but it gets messed up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crocketmeow (talk • contribs) 03:19, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

You use:
|-
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to do what you want, adding the content after the "|" Prodego ^talk 03:23, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Problem getting latest version of uploaded JPG to load in articles

I have been creating charts for various pages related to polling data for the upcoming U.S. Presidential election. For example, see: Mitt_Romney_presidential_campaign,_2008#First_Six_Republican_Primaries_and_Caucuses.2C_plus_California_and_New_York. Right now, using my Firefox browser, for Iowa and South Carolina, a previous version of the image appears in the article, but when you click into the images themselves, they clearly reflect the most recent upload. Is anyone else able to reproduce this problem on their browser? I tried clearing my cache and refreshing the page several times. --Robapalooza 05:54, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Check it now. I purged the servers and I think it's working now. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 06:03, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I got around the problem by changing 700px to 701px for each image, but that's a lot more work than I should have to do to get it to recognize a change to an image. I appreciate the purge, but I don't think that fixed it. So that an example still exists, I will revert the above link back to 700px to show an example.--Robapalooza 06:10, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I think your problem may be your browser cache. I've had that happen numerous times, and it can be quite frustrating. Try the instructions here (if this is a regular problem, this extension may come in handy). In very rare cases it can be almost impossible to purge an image thumbnail cache from the Wikimedia servers, but I have found that a null edit on the image description page can do the trick. --Pekaje 09:37, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I've tried clearing the cache, making the cache 0MB, purging the page using ?action=purge, loading in a different browser, a dummy edit and a null edit and nothing seems to be updating the image. Is anyone else having the same problem? That is, when _you_ load the page, do you see the pink line showing data for Undecided voters? --Robapalooza 01:06, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Fixed it for at least one of them. I actually had to purge the thumbnail itself. In Firefox you can do this by right-clicking the image, selecting "View Image", and appending ?action=purge to the thumbnail cache URL. Tedious, but very occasionally necessary. --Pekaje 13:52, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Pictures on this site is not being able to see on webpages

sir,

The pictures on webpage is not visible

please reply me why is it so

07:51, 8 September 2007 (UTC)07:51, 8 September 2007 (UTC)07:51, 8 September 2007 (UTC)07:51, 8 September 2007 (UTC)07:51, 8 September 2007 (UTC)Udaymani

I'm seeing pictures fine. What problem are you having? KTC 07:59, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

it may be because of lots of things, say if you are using shared or networked computers were the administrator has blocked images in wikipedia, or you might have blocked them yourself by right clicking on an image and choosing "block images from wikipedia.org", however I am not aware of the solution, try another computer maybe?, check if any who runs your pc hasn't blocked images on wikipedia?.--Kerotan^{Leave Me a Message} Have a nice day :) 08:01, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Edit Conflict on article

I was looking at recent changes and this person started editing Visual kei, they made big changes which deleted all the references. I reverted back, but they don't agree, so i'd like to get someone else to look at this please. Thanks. Phgao 08:21, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I have dealt have with it. see this diff:[3] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kerotan (talk • contribs) 08:32, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! Phgao 08:37, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, they will not stop. I'm not sure what to do. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Visual_kei&diff=156447178&oldid=156445997 Phgao 08:43, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

SUSTAINABLE LOGGING

I am looking for some peer reviewed articles on sustainable tropical forest logging 2007 , and am unable to find any, could you help please —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.137.233.136 (talk) 09:28, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Google Books

How do we feel about adding Google Books links to footnotes? See this edit, for example. It looks to be done in good faith, and I can see it might be useful: but presumably it should be something we do consistently across Wikipedia or not at all. That's why I'm asking for a second opinion here at the help desk rather than seeking a more local consensus on the article's talk page. Anyone have any thoughts? AndyJones 09:46, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Seems incredibly helpful to me. Kappa 11:48, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough. I won't touch it, and we'll see what others make of it. AndyJones 12:12, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

• It's useful. I wouldn't remove it. The reason it's not being consistently done, is because other editors usually have a physical book on hand when writing their articles. Adding a Google Books reference doesn't come to mind. Also, in copyrighted works, the available pages in Google Books can be restricted. In those cases links can't really be added. - Mgm|^(talk) 09:55, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Now I'm just lost

OK, so I was instructed to paste some kind of code into my monobook to get the title of each page NOT showing up. Following instructions at WP:MONOBOOK, I attempted but did not succeed. This is probably a good thing, as I do not want the title of all pages to go away, just one particular one (a user subpage of mine). I am attempting to recreate the Main Page, and it would be nice if we could make the title go away. Can anyone help me with this? Heck, is this even the right place? THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 10:34, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I think your best bet to get a definitive answer is to ask at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical).--Fuhghettaboutit 14:45, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Categories

Can someone show me how to create a category or give me a link to a page which shows how? --Thanks DerRichter 11:38, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

One way is this: add the category tag to a page, e.g. put the tag [[Category:Green stuff]] in the page Grass. Then you will see a red link to the category at the bottom of Grass. Click on the red link and it will allow you to create the category, e.g. you might type "This category contains green stuff" and put it in [[Category:Stuff by color]]. Kappa 11:45, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Categorization FAQ. Kappa 11:50, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

war

why are showing something about how poeple died from a mistake about to much fuil will guss what I bet right now some man is fight for every one's right to be free and, your talking about that men that just died becouse of to much fuil.Will men die for our fredom. How would you Like it if you would have died for our fredom and now body carse becouse, men died from to much fuil. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.196.181.15 (talk) 11:54, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

This is a page for questions about how to use Wikipedia, not a soapbox. -- 68.156.149.62 12:48, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Uploading pictures

Can I upload a picture onto Wikipedia just to use it in another site or does it have to be for an article? NFreak007 13:34, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not image hosting service, images should be used in articles, even if these articles are user pages. try photobucket.--Kerotan^{Leave Me a Message} Have a nice day :) 13:49, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Alternatively, provided the images have some potential use, and aren't just snaps you took of friends at a party, for example, you may wish to upload them at Wikimedia Commons. Make sure to be clear about your choice of licence, and add it to any categories you believe to be relevant. GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 14:57, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

• You can also use Flickr. - Mgm|^(talk) 09:58, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Deleted Page

After spending 3 hours making a page on Pi-Con, the largest sci-fi con in my area, I find that it has been completely deleted without a trace. There was some notice about non-notability, which is ridiculous. Pi-Con is the largest convention in the area! How can it be non-notable? I did what it said with the hold on tag and the explanation on the talk page, but still poof, three hours of work gone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fireheart (talk • contribs) 14:34, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Did you create the page under a different username? Because your account has never edited an article named Pi-Con. -- 68.156.149.62 14:42, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Deleted pages do not appear on that list. If you look at User talk:Fireheart, you'll see the notice of speedy placed on it. :) --Moonriddengirl 14:46, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

D'oh. I never noticed that deleted pages are gone from contributions. Thanks! -- 68.156.149.62 15:24, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Not a problem. Confused me the first time I ran into it. :D --Moonriddengirl 15:25, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry. Having put many an hour into Wikipedia projects myself, I can well imagine how frustrating that must be. :( I'll note that an article on Pi-Con has been deleted twice, today and several months ago. The deletion log for today indicates there was no assertion of notability made within the article. I can't access the text, so I don't know if you made an assertion of notability that qualifies per the guideline on notability (organizations and companies). If you feel like trying again, maybe you'd like to seek feedback at the drawing board before posting it? Good luck. --Moonriddengirl 14:44, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Fireheart, would you like me to restore the article to your userspace where we can help you work on it until it's ready to go to the encyclopedia? Leebo ^T/C 15:01, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

That's a nice offer. :) --Moonriddengirl 15:04, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I guess Fireheart would want that anyway... It's at User:Fireheart/Pi-con. Leebo ^T/C 15:11, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Articles must assert notability outside your "area". A local coffee bar may be the biggest in my area but it has no significance outside it. Wikipedia is not a local directory. Asserting notability with third-party sources is the best way to keep your article from being deleted. -Wooty [Woot?] [Spam! Spam! Wonderful spam!] 00:39, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

request to block/delete a user account

Hi,

I would like to request the immediate cancellation/deletion of the account "dyjodee" and, if possible, the reversal of any edits that were made using this account. This account was created by my 10-year-old nephew, Stephen, without my knowledge. With it, he has spoofed my identity on this site and has even put up my personal information. While some of the updates that he has made may be factual, like any child, he has an overactive imagination and often makes up stories and writes them on this site as facts.

I sincerely apologize to you and to your site visitors for any inconvenience this may have caused. I'm hoping for your prompt action on this matter.

Thanks and best regards, —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dyjodee (talk • contribs) 14:48, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

You signed using that account. Is this a joke? Jeffrey.Kleykamp 14:55, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm sure any of the inappropriate content has already been handled, so there is nothing else to do. Accounts are not deleted. Leebo ^T/C 15:03, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Note that the questioner explicitly states that it was this account. The thrust is that the personal information at User:Dyjodee is not about the user who created the account, but their aunt. To Dyjodee, while we can't delete the edits to Mainspace articles (provided they weren't offensive or revealed personal information) due to the terms of the GFDL, you can ask an admin to delete the account's Userpage by placing {{db-user}} on User:Dyjodee, which will remove your personal details from view. The account will remain, but if you (for example) scramble the password in Special:Preferences, your nephew will be unable to use the account in future. GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 15:06, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Gone ahead and deleted the Userpage, and left a note on the User's talk page about possible further steps. GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 15:20, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

To Jeffrey, no this is not a joke. I chanced upon this page while surfing and asked for the password from my nephew, since I don't have an account myself. Thanks GeeJo and Leebo for the info. I'll do as you suggested and scramble the password.

wikitable sort

Why are only the first 3 columns sorting at List of Chicago Marathon Winners?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:14, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

The problem appears to be the following line in the table:

|-
| 1987 || colspan=3|ran as half marathon || colspan=3|No Marathon

When I deleted that line in the table and previewed it, all the table columns became sortable. I guess the table sorting code does not deal gracefully with colspan modifiers. This might constitute a bug worth reporting, or perhaps someone already reported it, in case anyone cares to check. --Teratornis 15:26, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I should probably point out that I did not save my edits to the table after I previewed the effect of deleting that line. The table, and its sorting problem, remain as before. --Teratornis 16:18, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I will get to it during the week.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 21:10, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Japanese characters

Where's the page on Wikipedia to request that an article have Japanese characters added? The article in question is Kosei Ono. Thanks in advance, and please reply on my talk page. --Montchav 15:53, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

See the entries in the Editor's index under the "Japan/Japanese" heading just below WP:EIW#J. --Teratornis 16:25, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

How do I contribute to Wikiquote?

I wish to contibute to Wikiquote for the article about the film Tears of the Sun. How do I do this?Rickhavoc1 17:11, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Go to *English Wikiquote, open an account and have fun.--Thw1309 17:16, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

can someone fix the edouard manet page for me??

Something is going wrong with my browser (at least that's what I'm assuming is happening), and it is cutting off the text of wikipedia articles when i open them with the edit button. I keep accidentally deleting huge chunks of teh Édouard Manet article and now I can't put it back because I can't open the entire article in the edit function to revert it. I'm at a public computer so I don't really care about troubleshooting, but I do want to undo the damage I've done. Calliopejen1 17:22, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Ideally, could you put it back to the 17:08 version? :) Calliopejen1 17:23, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

 Done [4] by Etacar11 (talk · contribs). Cheers, Arky ^¡Hablar! 17:44, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Help

hello i need some help please im at college and have been set and assignment i dont need help finding the information but i have found the page i need within this site and i need to write who maintains the website but were abouts do i find this information on the website please could you email back to <email removed for security>

thanks you chelsey —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.64.24.69 (talk) 18:04, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is maintained by the Wikimedia Foundation, but the foundation does not have an active role in writing the articles - the act of writing and updating the articles is left to the users of the site. If you have a question about the article, you can leave a comment on the article's talk page, which you can get to by clicking the "discussion" tab at the top of the article. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 18:21, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Go to the article you're wanting to cite. On the left hand side of the page is a link that says Cite this article. Click on that link and you'll get a page with all the information you need to properly cite the article. Note, however, that most teachers will not accept Wikipedia as a source. You're better off looking at the References section on the article and citing from those. -- 68.156.149.62 18:37, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

My Photos / Would like to Contribute

I would like to contribute some of my own photographs to Wikipedia to enhance an article. How do I this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.28.107.221 (talk) 19:09, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Go to the Wikimedia Commons, create an account, and upload them there. You can then access them using the same syntax as images on Wikipedia: [[Image:TITLE]]. --Max Talk (+) 19:26, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Make sure to upload them under an appropriate licence, or the image may well be deleted shortly after you upload it. GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 00:45, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

redirected to malicious website

just a few minutes ago i was looking at the info on vanessa hudgens and was redirected to a winvirusscan site which tried to download crap onto my computer. what pracctices are in place to protect against these attacks? i think the info on vanessa hudgens needs to be disinfected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dwrogers77 (talk • contribs) 20:02, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

What article exactly were you on, this one? Were you on Wikipedia or a mirror site, or did you click on a link at the bottom of the page or a reference? Also, was the redirect inside the window, or was it your own virus scan software downloading an update as virus scan software does occasionally? Jeffrey.Kleykamp 20:16, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

The only way that could happen is if you clicked on an external link that had the malicious material. It wouldn't happen while you viewed the Wikipedia page unless you already have some kind of virus that would do that. When clicking on external links, you should be aware that they are not under Wikipedia's control. Leebo ^T/C 20:21, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

dang...yes, it was that one. I was on Wikipedia, and i think it was indeed an external link. i guess it was another reminder to be extra careful when i'm on the internet. no harm done, at least my firewall and security suite software didn't pick anything up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dwrogers77 (talk • contribs) 14:59, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Help with tables

Can someone help me with this: User:Hdt83/Sandbox. I want to move the user boxes to the right of the userpage section and its baffling me why its not working properly. Thanks in advance. --Hdt83 ^Chat 21:13, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Tamao Satō (related) questions

About new article

Will you please let me know when he article on Tamao Satō is ready, that is, if it is accepted, of course?

24.14.216.60 19:40, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Pardon me if this sounds blunt, but there's nothing stopping you from checking, correct? It's not really the help desk's job to watch pages for you and tell you what happens. Also, I see you constantly requesting for help desk users to create redirects or check on your requested articles; Why don't you create an account? Then you can do all of this without coming to otherss for help. Leebo ^T/C 19:49, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

About new article again

I had put sources on the article I started. Why did you decline it anyway? 24.14.216.60 20:38, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Please do not use the {{helpme}} template here, that is for use on your talk page. Your article was declined, as explained in the submission entry, because it did not have reliable, third party sources. Sources such as personal websites or fansites/blogs are not generally considered reliable, and are not third-party sources. Please review the above guideline to fully understand this. Thanks, ^Ariel♥Gold 20:58, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Need help

I can't seem to creat an article on Tamao Satō without it being declined. Can someone help me?

Please do not use the {{helpme}} template here, that is for use on your talk page. Your article was declined, as explained in the submission entry, because it did not have reliable, third party sources. Sources such as personal websites or fansites/blogs are not generally considered reliable, and are not third-party sources. Please review the above guideline to fully understand this. Additionally, please review the notability requirements for biographies. Thanks, ^Ariel♥Gold 20:59, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Anonymous user, if you propose the Tamao Sato article again after it has been declined with the same submission, you may be blocked for a short period. Your actions are disruptive; please read what people are telling you. Leebo ^T/C 21:09, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Getting angry

I've been trying to creat an article on Tamao Satō, and it has been declined twice, now. You probably are refusing to accept even though it has a source, right?! RIGHT?!

If it is not accepted this time, I'm going to get angry! 24.14.216.60 21:33, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

It's actually been declined 3 times. Twice is too many anyway. It doesn't have a reliable source. Anime News Network is not enough to sustain an article on its own. Leebo ^T/C 21:39, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

You can get angry all you like, but it's not affecting the fact that no reliable, third party source have been provided with the entries everytime it's been submitted. Read why it's been declined, address the problem, then submit it again. Not submitting the same thing every single time, and wondering why it keep getting declined. KTC 21:43, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Speaking of

Speaking of being blocked for a short period, that probably means I'll be blocked from editing temporarily, right?

24.14.216.60 21:35, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, read why it's being rejected and talk to the user who rejected it. We here at the Help desk can't help with that, it's not our collective decision. Leebo ^T/C 21:37, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Explainations for trying to create article

I've been trying to create an article on Tamao Satō, because I only want to support Wikipedia. Why do you keep rejecting it? :( —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.14.216.60 (talk) 21:40, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Please stop creating new threads for the same discussion. You've been told why it was rejected. Because you provided one source, Anime News Network, which is not reliable enough to sustain a whole article. Leebo ^T/C 21:41, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Getting upset

Well, if you're not going to accept my article, then I guess I won't be creating articles anymore! But if there are like a million articles being vandalized, don't come crying to me! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.14.216.60 (talk) 21:42, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

It is being rejected because it dosen't have enough reliable sources. Anime News Network is not enough to establish notability. More reliable 3rd party sources are needed to establish notability. --Hdt83 ^Chat 21:43, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

There's no reason to get upset. Listen to us and talk. Use the existing discussion instead of starting a whole new thread. Leebo ^T/C 21:45, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

.......

I guess someone else will have to create the article Tamao Sato for me. It is probably no use if I tried to crate it, because I found some info on her website, too, and if you won't accept Anime News Network as being the only source, fine! Because it said to include at least 1 source! Maybe you don't want me creating articles anymore!

If that's true, then fine! But don't yell at me if you end up having a bankrupt because of little support!

24.14.216.60 21:46, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

We do want you to create articles, but Wikipedia will not go bankrupt from not having new articles. Wikipedia receives money from fundraising, not directly from article creation. Leebo ^T/C 21:49, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

The English Wikipedia is not the only wiki you should consider. If you read and write Japanese, see if the Japanese Wikipedia wants the article, or already has one on this topic. If the Japanese Wikipedia has such an article, with adequate sources and so on, you could translate it to the English Wikipedia. If you do not speak Japanese, try another wiki that is not part of the Wikimedia Foundation. See: wikiindex:Category:Anime; for example, you could try Anime Wiki. Many wikis that specialize in a particular topic accept articles in their topic area with fewer hassles than you get on Wikipedia. --Teratornis 22:42, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I have a question

Does the Internet Movie Database count as a third-party reliable source? I'm not very sure whether or not it is, because I'm trying to start the article again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.14.216.60 (talk) 21:54, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

The IMDB is alright, but it's not entirely reliable. More sources would be needed than just ANN and IMDB. Sorry if this is frustrating, but new articles should be held to high standards too. Leebo ^T/C 21:56, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

It should also be noted that some of the content on IMDB can be edited by anyone once they create an account. AngelOfSadness talk 21:57, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

The same is true of ANN, which is why it's also not considered reliable for some things. News articles are different from the fan-edited encyclopedia pages. It would be like using Wikipedia as a source. Leebo ^T/C 21:59, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

As mentioned, since anyone can edit IMDB, they do tend to (quite often) add false/unsubstantiated/unverifiable information to IMDB. Because Wikipedia is based on verifiable information, IMDB is not considered a WP:RS, however, Wikipedia has a template to add an actor/film's entry from IMDB to the external links. The template is: *{{imdb name | id=number | name=First Last}} (You must go to IMDB and look up the item's ID number yourself). Hope that helps ^Ariel♥Gold

TVRAGE

Is TVrage a reliable source? Can you list all of the reliable third-party sources? Please? 24.14.216.60 22:01, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure about TVrage, but listing all reliable third-party sources would be impossible. That list would include just about every newspaper and online news organization. I recommend you read Wikipedia:Reliable sources if you want info on what makes something a reliable source. Leebo ^T/C 22:07, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Check out the many links in the Editor's index under: WP:EIW#Source. This one looks interesting, but not necessarily relevant to the question:

• Top 500 external websites to which Wikipedia links

--Teratornis 22:32, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

More to say

I try not to do anything wrong, and I want to help you.

24.14.216.60 22:35, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

See: WP:WWMPD#If all else fails, try another wiki. As I mentioned above, please see: wikiindex:Category:Anime; for example, you could try Anime Wiki. Many wikis that specialize in a particular topic accept articles in their topic area with fewer hassles than you get on Wikipedia. You can develop your anime articles on Anime Wiki, probably with less fear that they will be deleted while you are still working on them. Later you can ask us to look at them over there, and we can tell you when they are ready to meet Wikipedia's requirements. Everybody wins. Anime Wiki runs on the same MediaWiki software as Wikipedia, so you only have to learn one wikitext markup language. --Teratornis 22:48, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

If you had an account, which I've been encouraging you to do this whole time, you could create articles yourself in your userspace and move them to the encyclopedia when they're ready. You haven't said why you won't create an account though. Leebo ^T/C 22:51, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Should I create Tamao Sato article another day? I mean, those were the only sources I could find. 24.14.216.60 22:56, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I have an idea! How about a wiki user creates Tamao Sato for me? :) 24.14.216.60 23:01, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Please, respond by clicking the [edit] link next to "More to say". Why dont' you want to create an account? Leebo ^T/C 23:03, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

You might have to wait until you have reliable third party sources for those sources. A lot of the content with those sources was made by fans so it's a mixture of fact, fiction, and rumours(original research if you will). Creating the article tomorrow(let's say) will be pointless if you don't have reliable third party sources. AngelOfSadness talk 23:04, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Are you talking about this Tamao Sato? As you can see, DramaWiki already has a brief article about her. Why don't you make an account on DramaWiki and edit her article there? Then we can see it and advise you on what it would need to meet Wikipedia's standards. --Teratornis 23:09, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Sources

I couldn't find any reliable cources for Tamao Satou, so someone else will have to create the article for me either way.

24.14.216.60 23:18, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd encourage you to review the notability guideline for people. Most of the time, if an actress is notable enough, there will be at least a few news articles, reports, etc., about the person. Unfortunately, not all actresses would fit into Wikipedia's notability guideline, and as such, may not be appropriate for Wikipedia. However, there are several other "wiki" type sites given to you above that you can create an account on and create an article about her there. (Note that I have no idea how notable this Japanese actress is, I'm merely speaking generally.) Cheers! ^Ariel♥Gold 23:22, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

This is getting a little irritating, so I'm just going to help do the research instead of telling this person to do it with reliable sources. This is all I've found so far:

• Tamao Sato interview in Metropolis magazine

Leebo ^T/C 23:36, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Irritating? After only a dozen rehashes? The Google test results depend on the spelling:

• google:Tamao Satou 857 for Tamao Satou
• google:Tamao Sato 57,800 for Tamao Sato

Are we discussing Tamao Satou or Tamao Sato? Are these two different people, or two spellings of the same person? (A Japanese name may not have a distinct English counterpart for all I know.) The latter appears to be much more notable. One would think an actress with 57,800 Google hits would be notable enough for an article here. --Teratornis 23:42, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

They're the same person. The correct spelling for romanization would be Tamao Satō. Leebo ^T/C 23:45, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up. I could have figured it out by looking at the photograph of "Tamao Sato" in the Tamao Sato interview in Metropolis magazine. (The various articles suggest she is a no-talent actress who makes it on her looks and willingness to work a lot. And she seems to be the actress most hated by Japanese women. She sounds like a Japanese version of Jessica Simpson.) She seems to be notable enough in Japan but is probably not known to many English speakers, since an actor probably needs some talent to go international. I would imagine she has an article on the Japanese Wikipedia already, but I have no idea how to search for her article there. --Teratornis 00:00, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Notability is not really bound by nationality. If she's notable enough for the Japanese Wikipedia, where she does in fact have an article ja:さとう珠緒, then she's notable enough for an article here. Leebo ^T/C 00:08, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

I just had an idea for a reality TV show. Jessica Simpson and Tamao Satō trade places, then we see if either of the lightheaded lovelies harms the other's career while coping with the resulting culture shock. --Teratornis 00:15, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

That's a great idea. Maybe when it airs, it will have a wikipedia article aswell :D AngelOfSadness talk 00:17, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Dictionary

Do you have a dictionary here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.36.150.176 (talk) 21:51, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

See Wikitionary. --Hdt83 ^Chat 21:52, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) No, not here at Wikipedia, but there is Wiktionary. Leebo ^T/C 21:53, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Also try the "define:" option in Google Search. For example: google:define:dictionary. And see: WP:DICT. --Teratornis 22:34, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

This is also a helpful website. --Thε Rαnδom Eδιτor (tαlk) 22:54, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

How do I change an article?

Hi. I'm working on some changes for the entry "Baku (spirit)" and do not know how to proceed. Please see my user page for who I am.

How does one make those changes? I have rewritten the article offline, using the original material plus a good deal more material including references, links, and several subheadings. Now, normally, I would simply highlight what I want to change on the edit page for the article and paste in the new material. But that seems to be some sort of no-no.

Second, since I am not a Wikipedian (I'm a subject matter expert, not a Wiki-lawyer), I don't have any idea how to format the references, subheadings, links, and so on. So I need some help with that.

Third, I could include some images -- in fact, I think they're necessary -- but no matter what copyright policies for Wiki might say, I personally believe that including these images DOES violate copyright. So what should I do?

Timothy Perper 23:35, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

How about you put your version of the article at User:Timothy Perper/Baku (spirit) so we can look at it and help format it. Just click that link and paste what you've got. It's your userspace. Leebo ^T/C 23:38, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

accounts

I know you want me to create an account, but I don't know how to do that, and I don't know if my parents will let me! What if I have to remember a specific password?!

24.14.216.60 23:38, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I'll help you. I don't think your parents would mind you having an account, since you don't have to give any personal information, not even an email address. Click here, pick a username and a password that you can remember. It doesn't have to be really complicated, make it something you would think of. Leebo ^T/C 23:43, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

However, you should ask your parents first anyway, since we cannot safely speak for them. --Teratornis 23:54, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Also remember that while there are a number of additional tasks you can perform with an account, you're perfectly free to continue to contribute anonymously. GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 00:48, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, Ariel♥Gold!

Thank you, Ariel♥Gold! You're the best! :)♥♥♥♥

24.14.216.60 23:41, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

We all know Ariel is great, but this isn't really an appropriate thread for the help desk. Take it to User talk:ArielGold if you want. Leebo ^T/C 23:48, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Heh, not sure what I did, but Leebo seems to have done some excellent sleuthing and found some good sources, resubmit to WP:AFC using those, with a link here, and it should be approved. Cheers! ^Ariel♥Gold 00:07, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Sources

Leebo, Tamao Satou and Tamao Sato are the exact same person. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.14.216.60 (talk) 23:45, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I know that, and that's what I said above. I didn't ask that question. Leebo ^T/C 23:47, 8 September 2007 (UTC)