Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Vector space/1
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- Result: Kept. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:02, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
This 2008 listing contains significant amounts of uncited material, far beyond what WP:CALC permits, and thus does not meet GA criterion 2b). ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 03:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Pinging @Jakob.scholbach and @Ozob who nominated and reviewed the GA for the first time, respectively. Dedhert.Jr (talk) 12:24, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- FYI I notified both on their talk already. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:45, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- This is all easily verifiable basic material. @AirshipJungleman29 why don't you try to add some sources instead of spending all of your time demanding that other people jump through made up hoops. –jacobolus (t) 18:05, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]- I'll do the work in the section on "Related topics and properties". It has some awkward list that can still be improved. Such works are in my sandbox. Dedhert.Jr (talk) 02:39, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- Done. But need more sources and some copyedits. Dedhert.Jr (talk) 03:15, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- I can provide sources for whatever specifically needs citations, but I don't currently see things where I would want to have an additional source. If you want, add a citation needed tag and I'll take care. Jakob.scholbach (talk) 22:27, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
- The nominator Jakob.scholbach has signalled their intention to work on the article on my talk page. As usual, this reassessment should be left open as long as they intend to work on it, up to a maximum of around three months. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:21, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29, @Jakob.scholbach. I have seen your conversation about the improvement of the article on the talk page. Since the main author is busy in real life, I think I can take over temporarily by adding some sources and copyedits to this article. However, some comments may require some clarification from the main author directly. Dedhert.Jr (talk) 02:05, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you! Jakob.scholbach (talk) Jakob.scholbach (talk) 19:37, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29, @Jakob.scholbach. I have seen your conversation about the improvement of the article on the talk page. Since the main author is busy in real life, I think I can take over temporarily by adding some sources and copyedits to this article. However, some comments may require some clarification from the main author directly. Dedhert.Jr (talk) 02:05, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- Some see-below links are tagged with clarity. I cannot find where the see-below links are redirected to. Dedhert.Jr (talk) 02:02, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- I have removed these, they didn't really add any value (even if they would have worked). Jakob.scholbach (talk) 19:42, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
- Are the types of vectors in the section Vector space § Related concepts lists merely? I do think these should be removed, IMO Dedhert.Jr (talk) 02:32, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- I agree! Jakob.scholbach (talk) 19:37, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
- Do we have to write the homogeneous differential solutions in a "linear equation" section? It seems more difficult to comprehend, and are those related? Dedhert.Jr (talk) 03:49, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
- Yes they are closely related. The point is that the process of taking a function f and associating to it its derivative (or second derivative etc.) is linear as well, which is why the solution spaces of homogeneous differential equations are vector spaces.
- I think the discussion there takes so little space that this seems OK to me. Jakob.scholbach (talk) 19:39, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
- AirshipJungleman29 : please give an update on where specifically you think citations are needed. (I didn't check how many / which ones have been added very recently by Dedhert.Jr and maybe others). The article currently has, IMO, a fair amount of citations overall, and it would be pointless to just add 20 more on generic grounds. Jakob.scholbach (talk) 22:27, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Jakob.scholbach, the GA criterion 2b) has been modified so that all content that could be challenged and doesn't fall under WP:BLUESKY needs to be cited inline. See e.g. Descartes' theorem, currently at GAN, for something that does this well. I understand that you could see this as tiresome and/or pointless, but that is what the GA criteria ask for, and it is a lot easier than some articles which come to GAR needing to be entirely rewritten. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:46, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29 Correct me if I'm wrong. The GACR2b has been modified, stating that the article has no original research but rather covered with the verifiability in the reliable sources and citation inlines, with the exception that plot summary or explanation do not need to be sourced. However, some of the paragraphs are not plot summaries, or somewhat backgrounds to describe the highly technical topics. Should I added the citation-tag in this case? Dedhert.Jr (talk) 08:32, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
- OK, AirshipJungleman29 so I reiterate my request to please name a few specific instances of claims / statements you think require additional sources. What is the content that could reasonably be challenged? Jakob.scholbach (talk) 09:06, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
- Jakob.scholbach, thanks very much for your work on the article so far. I have tagged a few places where inline citations would be helpful; please let me know if you think any of them fall under WP:CALC. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:38, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
- I have removed to citation needed tags: in one case I decided to delete the paragraph containing it, because it was out of place there, in the other case (about addition of complex numbers) it was falling under WP:BLUESKY.
- For the other tags, I did supply references. Let me, however, state quite clearly that this kind of citation needed request is hardly a service to anyone on Wikipedia: it was in these cases a trivial matter to find the required assertion in the subarticles, or to pull up various sources at once. Notice how the references are often to the very first pages of some book, highlighting how strongly these assertions fall under the rubric "not-challengeable".
- AirshipJungleman29, with all respect to your principles about your work on GAN, I can't refrain from reiterating comments made by jacobolus and David Eppstein: I suggest we all spend our time on better things. Jakob.scholbach (talk) 14:14, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you very much for your work Jakob.scholbach; for myself, I will continue to work at GAR until the community decides to deprecate the process. It is not all I do on Wikipedia—see today's featured article on the main page—but I find this to be worthwhile in itself. You are welcome to decide whether you have better things to do than provide trivial citations in the future. Thank you also for your cordiality in your responses. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:57, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
- Jakob.scholbach, thanks very much for your work on the article so far. I have tagged a few places where inline citations would be helpful; please let me know if you think any of them fall under WP:CALC. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:38, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Jakob.scholbach, the GA criterion 2b) has been modified so that all content that could be challenged and doesn't fall under WP:BLUESKY needs to be cited inline. See e.g. Descartes' theorem, currently at GAN, for something that does this well. I understand that you could see this as tiresome and/or pointless, but that is what the GA criteria ask for, and it is a lot easier than some articles which come to GAR needing to be entirely rewritten. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:46, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
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